Posted on 12/29/2007 10:23:09 PM PST by neverdem
Most people over-indulge because they’ve learned that’s how to have a “good time” with friends.
I submit that people would be much happier with themselves if they learned that going along with the crowd is NOT the path to happiness!
Become your own person and stop at one or two, then switch to something sober!
Respect yourself first and you will be surprised at how that leads to others respecting you!
He's told you as a cop, he's subject to tests any time and anywhere.
But that wasn't the question my friend.
Read back...You can't be this stupid.
If necessary, I'll post the specific questions he failed to answer, just for you. Ya see he never did answer the yes or no from 33, 41 etc, etc, etc.
There is a big difference between "being subject to drug testing", and being part of a mandatory, random drug testing program, where you are subject to random drug testing at any time, and people in the group, are "randomly picked" on a routine basis. I know it, he knows it, and everyone else knows it.
He just decided to head for the tall grass and refused to answer the question.
Let me know if I can help *you* understand what is specifically being asked here.
And just so you know, outside of a LEOs probationary period, they are **NOT** subject to "random" drug testing programs.... See how simple that was?
You might want to ask yourself why the other poster refused to answer the question that was asked 9 or 10 times.
Bit of advise...Beware of those that refuse to answer, or dance around, simple direct questions.
ping
I was amused by the dancing around the inquiry and decided to keep it simple and failed.
Yes, it still itches, but not as bad or often.
I like the analogy posted that random drug testing for LEO's is like sobriety checkpoints for the rest of us. Since you are no doubt unionized, some here feel rules for some pigs (us) are enforced less so for other pigs (you). Just like in Animal Farm.
Two questions for you.
1. Do you think of the populace you serve as civilian?
2. Are the police also civilian?
See post 50, he did and the answer was yes.
Sorry to disappoint you, no DUI, not even a ticket in quite a while. I went over 15 years without a ticket, but missed a speed change on an empty road last year.
I resent the attitude I get from EVERY cop at EVERY roadside check. I am NOT the enemy, and you are not my overlord. You are nothing more or less than a fellow citizen ENTRUSTED with the duty of keeping the peace.
Hell, I was an alcoholic before I started drinking. I’m waiting to pop somebody as soon as they start their 4th drink and I tell them they’re alcoholics. Either you don’t drink or you’re an alcoholic. Sort of along the lines you stated “We’re all alcoholics.”
The definition probably includes drinking until you puke/pass out/cannot remember where you were or what you did.
Picturing lab rats in tuxes with some fine wine.
That actually happen a lot when I used to drink.
“do I qualify for SSDI?”
Of course, whatever that is. And yes, all new recruits - guilty. So now all of our cops are alchies. Heartening isn’t it? Alchies giving alchies tickets for drinking.
“That’s what I think, too. But I guarantee you that is or will soon be the definition.”
You were right, at least if the poster’s info was correct. The nanny should be thrown out on her ass.
Sorry Zippy, but you didn’t ask him that... You repeatedly asked him “Why don’t they routinely and randomly drug test LEOs and judges like they do in many other professions?”
Go back in the thread... try reading it. Like I said, you were asking questions of the wrong person...
To: KJC1
Why don’t they routinely and randomly drug test LEOs and judges like they do in many other professions?
6 posted on 12/29/2007 10:56:52 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
In the state of CA, all cops agree to be tested at any time, any place.
Judges are another matter...I don’t know what they agree to but any testing would be welcome in my book.
7 posted on 12/29/2007 11:00:05 PM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1
That’s not what I asked.
8 posted on 12/29/2007 11:00:36 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: KJC1
Why don’t they routinely and randomly drug test LEOs and judges like they do in many other professions?
In the state of CA, all cops agree to be tested at any time, any place.
Judges are another matter.
I’ll try to be more specific, why are not LEOs and judges RANDOMLY, and ROUTINELY drug tested like in many other professions?
9 posted on 12/29/2007 11:04:25 PM PST by dragnet2
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Oh, I did read back...
You might want to ask yourself why the other poster refused to answer the question that was asked 9 or 10 times.
You must either be an idiot, or have Alzheimer's disease, since it seems that you don't even realize what question you asked him... I'm pretty sure that most people who've been reading this thread are leaning towards the "you're an idiot" side.
Mark
I didn't realize, until now, that everyone in my town is an alcoholic. So are all the people with whom I've ever worked for the past 45 years.
In high school and college I drank quite a bit. Heck, I dropped out of high school in my junior year, only going to VOTEC for half a day. I would work in the morning, from 7:30am until 11:30, then walk down to the "Underpass Bar" and have lunch before hopping on a bus to go to VOTEC... A small frozen tombstone pizza and a mug of Hamms (I was only 16 at the time, but could pass for mid twenties). Then after school, it was back on the bus, and a stop off at the bar for another mug of Hamms, before having to be back at work by 4:30.
I would get drunk most weekends. After I went back and finished high school, I went to college, which is where I started my serious drinking... In fact, there was one summer where I got drunk every night, sobering up to go to work during the afternoon and evening, then getting drunk again! My roommates used to joke that they could trace my route by following the trail of empty beer and tequila bottles!
Then, I read somewhere that "if you think you might be an alcoholic, you probably are one." I didn't think that I had a drinking problem... Nope, I had that one down pretty good! But seriously, I started to get a bit worried. So I stopped drinking. And I didn't have another drink for a number of years. Then one day, I decided that I'd like a beer. So I had one. And stopped at one. And to this day, I can have a drink or two, without getting drunk, and stop at that point.
Given that, I think that I probably qualify as an alcoholic by the author's standards, but not by any reasonable definition of the clinical description of an alcoholic.
Mark
'If alcohol use leads to a pattern of social or occupational dysfunction, then you're called alcoholic.' In other words, if alcohol use causes repeated problems in your life and you continue to drink, you're alcoholic.
LOL..
Actually, the problem is that New Year’s Eve is amateur night.
Stay home and enjoy yourself in your own way.
“Given that, I think that I probably qualify as an alcoholic by the author’s standards, but not by any reasonable definition of the clinical description of an alcoholic.”
I think you’re probably right on the money with this. Any definition of an addiction, at least to me, would have to include the word “craving.” They’re are a lot of problem drinkers and drunks who I wouldn’t consider alcoholics because they’re drinking for whatever reason without the craving for alcohol itself. It could be caused by boredom or the change in mood that is the prime catalyst in drinking. That to me is not an alcoholic. An alcoholic craves the stuff. It’s like me and tobacco. At first I want a cig, then I need a cig, then I crave one. That’s addiction.
I do try my best to stay on top of it. The only problem is I don’t know my limit really, and sometimes I don’t want to just drink beer.
But it’s a learning process.
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