ANSWERS TO 50 ANTI-MORMON QUESTIONS (LDS SITE FAIR)

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[Elsie]

 

Are you guys trained in this tactic?

 

 

I'm glad you asked that question...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two hundred graduating students at Brigham Young University-Hawaii have been urged to use the Internet...

 

 

Professor Robert Millet teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/

 

 

Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

I've had some mormons here....tell me, they only pick out what they think applies to them.

Is that what that article of "faith" means?

I've had others say that the 13 are NOT considered to be a 'creed'!

[BlueMoose]

13

[Elsie]

BEAUTIFUL!

...and scary.

[Elsie]

“This election is about the future. Don’t look to the past for answers.”

[Elsie]

No just taking hints from the Mormon Bashers.

Much of the disagreement between us was thought up by the Pagan Lawyer Tertulian. The doctrines he thought up were not taught by the Bishop of Rome, who said Tertulian's doctrines were heresy.

HMmmm...

Kinda the old RLDS bunch?

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Much of the disagreement between us was thought up by the Emma Hale Smith. The doctrines (s)he thought up were not taught by her dearly departed husband, who said ALL Christianity's doctrines were heresy.

[Elsie]

When does your religion say they are accountable?

I would imagine that it is a bit like this:

Isaiah 7:14-15
14. Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
15. He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.

HE took on human flesh and a time came when "he knows enough" occured.

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Now I ask, "Why?" If He is GOD from the getgo; why is it that an amount of time passes before this occurs?

It seems to me that ALL of humanity would be in the same boat: born with SOMETHING (which we haven't defined here) but, at some point in time, we ALL now become ACCOUNTABLE for our choices, for we now "know enough to reject the wrong and choose the right."

So, by reading the Book further, we find:

Romans 4:13-15
13. It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
14. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless,
15. because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

So it appears that in at least THIS instance, Ignorance of the LAW is an excuse!

In summation, babies & children in general are 'innocent' UNTIL they "know enough".

(IMHO)

[Elsie]

I kind of would too, from an academic standpoint. I don’t think there’s any way we can know, though.

True; we can't know what was said in these meetings, but we CAN know what DIDN'T happen.

Porn DIDN'T stop when he was on the board and he did not QUIT the board because porn WAS being shown in the hotels.

[Elsie]

They’re all Biblical scholars. They could Bible you under the table, though they’ve the good taste not to, since it’s generally so unproductive.

 

Too bad your founder and later leaders were not BoM scholars!!

 

Then they might have OBEYED the words found here!!

 

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THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

 

  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

 

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Or even HERE:

 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

 

 

1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

 

 

 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

[Elsie]

That’s what Elsie does. After a while, it becomes background noise, kind of like that fan with a bad bearing.

Ypu!!

The above is BACKGROUND noise.

Noise that STILL shouts out how screwed up your 'founders' were.

The bad bearing, if not addressed, WILL cause the wheel to fall off some day.

[Elsie]

Maybe that’s why I’m still single...?

UMmmm...

Not likely....

[Elsie]

Even conservatives can be fooled....

UMmmm...

...even ignorant 14 yo farm boys can be fooled.

[Elsie]

Can't anymore, we are both in our sixties.

Sarai laughed!

Never say never.

[Elsie]

Mormons are no different, and I am reasonably certain all Mormons do not believe or promote all the sayings or teachings of the first Mormon.

And yet, some who DO, are told that they are NOT Mormon by the group that is based in SLC.

Go figger; the ones who so desperately want to be labeled as 'Christians, too!' do NOT extend that graciousness to their prodigal's who have NOT agreed that the Declaration has any value.

[Elsie]

The Church contains both Republicans and Democrats.

In what percentages?

[Elsie]

Personally I think....we continue down the "slippery slope"...no matter who gets elected POTUS.

Well; we'll still have CHOICE!

[Elsie]

 

1 Kings 12

 

 1.  Rehoboam went to Shechem, for all the Israelites had gone there to make him king.
 2.  When Jeroboam son of Nebat heard this (he was still in Egypt, where he had fled from King Solomon), he returned from  Egypt.
 3.  So they sent for Jeroboam, and he and the whole assembly of Israel went to Rehoboam and said to him:
 4.  "Your father put a heavy yoke on us, but now lighten the harsh labor and the heavy yoke he put on us, and we will serve you."
 5.  Rehoboam answered, "Go away for three days and then come back to me." So the people went away.
 6.  Then King Rehoboam consulted the elders who had served his father Solomon during his lifetime. "How would you advise me to answer these people?" he asked.
 7.  They replied, "If today you will be a servant to these people and serve them and give them a favorable answer, they will always be your servants."
 8.  But Rehoboam rejected the advice the elders gave him and consulted the young men who had grown up with him and were serving him.
 9.  He asked them, "What is your advice? How should we answer these people who say to me, `Lighten the yoke your father put on us'?"
 10.  The young men who had grown up with him replied, "Tell these people who have said to you, `Your father put a heavy yoke on us, but make our yoke lighter'--tell them, `My little finger is thicker than my father's waist.
 11.  My father laid on you a heavy yoke; I will make it even heavier. My father scourged you with whips; I will scourge you with scorpions.'"
 12.  Three days later Jeroboam and all the people returned to Rehoboam, as the king had said, "Come back to me in three days."
 13.  The king answered the people harshly. Rejecting the advice given him by the elders,
 14.  he followed the advice of the young men and said, "My father made your yoke heavy; I will make it even heavier. My father scourged you with whips; I will scourge you with scorpions."
 15.  So the king did not listen to the people, for this turn of events was from the LORD, to fulfill the word the LORD had spoken to Jeroboam son of Nebat through Ahijah the Shilonite.
 16.  When all Israel saw that the king refused to listen to them, they answered the king: "What share do we have in David, what part in Jesse's son? To your tents, O Israel! Look after your own house, O David!" So the Israelites went home.
 17.  But as for the Israelites who were living in the towns of Judah, Rehoboam still ruled over them.
 18.  King Rehoboam sent out Adoniram,  who was in charge of forced labor, but all Israel stoned him to death. King Rehoboam, however, managed to get into his chariot and escape to Jerusalem.
 19.  So Israel has been in rebellion against the house of David to this day.

 

 

[Elsie]

“Suffers from delusions of adequacy.”

[Edit35]

Duncan Hunter would be my preferred......... But he's not been "crowned" by the Kings and Queens..

The only 'kings and queens' in this great nation are the voters who have answered the numerous poll questions from a multitude of pollsters the past few months.

As much as I like Duncan Hunter, he obviously does not have the support of most Republican voters .... because they obviously do not see him as having the type of personality that wins Presidential elections.

It is depressing, but true. No need to get all spiteful and mad at the other candidates.

FR has unfortunately morphed away from a 'conservative' website into a 'cult-of-personality' website, with anyone who doesn't support the preferred personality of Duncan Hunter of Fred Thompson is suddenly on the outs.

How else to explain the total pass all the Romney-haters give to John McCain, who has done more to destroy the conservative movement the past seven years than Romney could ever even IMAGINE in his wildest nightmare.

Consider: McCain voted against all Bush tax cuts, McCain supports amnesty for illegals.

McCain wants to eliminate Guantanamo. McCain wants to outlaw CIA procedures (waterboarding) to interrogate terrorists.

McCain designed the 'gang-of-14' agreement which totally derailed momentum for a host of fabulous conservative judges.

The list goes on and on whereby McCain has voted against almost every conservative incentive the past 7 years -- yet he gets NONE of the wrath the Romney haters dish at Mitt for several pandering comments years ago.

Like I said, FR has become a cult of personality devoid of the principals I previously found so refreshing.

[Elsie]

If he does that, there’s very little else standing in his way.

And if he DOESN'T?