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David Whitehouse: Has global warming stopped?
New Statesman ^ | 19 December 2007 | David Whitehouse

Posted on 12/28/2007 12:40:59 PM PST by neverdem

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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Let me get this straight.

You believe that CO2 drives the climate. But, in 1998 La Nino, not CO2, was credited with causing the 2nd highest “temperature”.

Since 1998, “global temperature” have gone down or remain about the same according satellites measurements while CO2 PPM have gone up.

According to one GHG modeler

“A common view is that the current global warming rate will continue or accelerate. But we argue that rapid warming in recent decades has been driven mainly by non-CO2 greenhouse gases (GHGs), such as chlorofluorocarbons, CH4, and N2O, not by the products of fossil fuel burning, CO2 and aerosols, the positive and negative climate forcings of which are partially offsetting.”

This modeler has been working on his GHG model for over thirty years. His model has never been peer reviewed or validated.

Can you or anybody give me his name?
I’ll give a hint. The abstract was written in the year 2000

61 posted on 12/28/2007 8:28:37 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Soliton
Branch Algorians

I like it.

62 posted on 12/28/2007 8:35:30 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

I didn’t originate it. Another FReeper did. I decided to use it whenever possible. Maybe it will catch on.


63 posted on 12/28/2007 8:36:55 PM PST by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Well, it’s a good one. I’ll use it when I can.


64 posted on 12/28/2007 8:50:21 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Soliton
This is never brought up by most Branch Algorians because it suggests a solution to global warming. The 70’s weren’t great, but they were better than the apacolypse the warmers are predicting, so why not allow just enough burning of high sulpher coal to counteract the co2? Problem solved!

Acid rain.

65 posted on 12/28/2007 9:27:31 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP
Lol, Happy Feet!


66 posted on 12/28/2007 9:32:36 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: neverdem

Kind of like a drunk sobering up and saying, “Hey, look! The room stopped spinning!”


67 posted on 12/28/2007 9:34:46 PM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: potlatch

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LOL!

Great one potlatch!

Now I’ve got to do a new version all over again!


68 posted on 12/28/2007 9:40:41 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve

Heh, from an ad for a movie I believe. Found it, cropped and did a bit of clean up on 45 frames just to post to your post!!
Sent you the url already!


69 posted on 12/28/2007 9:48:20 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: devolve; potlatch; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; xcamel; Seadog Bytes; FARS

Newsweek Magazine, April 28th 1975:

There are ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas - parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia - where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree - a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. "A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale," warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, "because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century."

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

Time Magazine June 1974:

In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone's recollection.

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.

Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds —the so-called circumpolar vortex—that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world. Indeed it is the widening of this cap of cold air that is the immediate cause of Africa's drought. By blocking moisture-bearing equatorial winds and preventing them from bringing rainfall to the parched sub-Sahara region, as well as other drought-ridden areas stretching all the way from Central America to the Middle East and India, the polar winds have in effect caused the Sahara and other deserts to reach farther to the south. Paradoxically, the same vortex has created quite different weather quirks in the U.S. and other temperate zones. As the winds swirl around the globe, their southerly portions undulate like the bottom of a skirt. Cold air is pulled down across the Western U.S. and warm air is swept up to the Northeast. The collision of air masses of widely differing temperatures and humidity can create violent storms—the Midwest's recent rash of disastrous tornadoes, for example.


70 posted on 12/28/2007 10:12:29 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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71 posted on 12/28/2007 10:15:22 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve
Goes great with Gore. The penquin is blue for cold and is putting his foot down in disgust, lol.
72 posted on 12/28/2007 10:40:39 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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73 posted on 12/28/2007 10:48:29 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: potlatch

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Yup!

I’ve got a few good ideas to try out using that one


74 posted on 12/28/2007 11:00:20 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Or are you saying that conservatives MUST become better educated to recognize and argue AGAINST AGW extremists in order to save the planet from socialism and one-world government control?

BTTT !!

75 posted on 12/28/2007 11:32:30 PM PST by A message
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To: cogitator
From the article you linked: "Fortunately, the thermometers are actually pretty darn precise, far more precise than the variation in temperature from one year to the next."

This is completely laughable. While the thermometers are undoubtedly very precise the way they are used makes a mockery of science. Anthony Watts has made quite a study of just how bad the weather stations are that scientist rely on for temperature data. These are stations in the wealthiest country in the world. One could guess that temperature from other parts of the world would be even less reliable.

76 posted on 12/28/2007 11:45:52 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: potlatch

77 posted on 12/29/2007 2:04:41 AM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: neverdem
it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.

That statement assumes that "we" ("leaders") are not a bunch of con artists attempting to rip off our fellow citizens while "we" use "science" as a stage prop to wow the gullible audience.

:-(
78 posted on 12/29/2007 2:14:58 AM PST by cgbg ("2009-2017: Gnarled and ugly,loud and preachy, fiscally and morally depraved.")
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
The conservative movement REALLY needs to come to grip with AGW , or it's going to end up looking like a collection of flat-Earthers.

Some of us had to sit through boring college classes in the 1970s while long-haired professors preached their jeremiads about "the coming ice age".

Flat earth indeed!
79 posted on 12/29/2007 2:24:20 AM PST by cgbg ("2009-2017: Gnarled and ugly,loud and preachy, fiscally and morally depraved.")
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To: Always Right
Global temperatures have not increased since 2001. GWB became President in 2001. Coincidence? And algore gets the Nobel Prize?

And the biggest increases in Global Warming occurred during the Clinton/Gore years. Hmmm, I think you are onto something.

Yes, you are....

Now that "global warming" has stopped, IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

80 posted on 12/29/2007 2:45:06 AM PST by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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