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Just look at what Warren Buffett has decided not to invest in
The Times ^ | 12/28/07 | Patrick Hosking

Posted on 12/27/2007 8:23:25 PM PST by bruinbirdman

When Warren Buffett so much as scratches his nose, the investment world sits up and takes notice. So the Buffettologists will be all over the latest acquisition by the world’s smartest investor.

While his rivals were still digesting their sprouts, Mr Buffett announced on the evening of Christmas Day that Berkshire Hathaway was paying $4.5 billion (£2.25 billion) for majority control of Marmon Holdings, an industrial conglomerate owned by the Pritzker family of Chicago.

Outside his insurance company investments, this is Mr Buffett’s biggest deal yet. Given Berkshire’s investment preferences, there were few surprises in the deal. Marmon’s products are easy to understand and low-tech. It makes stuff such as railway tankers, plumbing materials and household wiring. The company is nicely unfashionable - a sprawling conglomerate of 125 subsidiaries. And it looks cheap. Details are scant but Mr Buffett appears to be paying less than ten times after-tax profits and less than one times sales.

All very Buffett. However, the timing of the deal and the geographic market of Marmon - overwhelmingly the US – make it more interesting. Berkshire is no stranger to overseas investments yet chose to snap up an asset in its own backyard just as America is threatened with a severe downturn, possibly a recession.

Of course, Berkshire is a famously long-term investor and isn’t particularly bothered about getting its timing exactly right. Nevertheless, this is a vote of long-term confidence in the US economy generally and in the poleaxed housebuilding sector in particular.

The other intriguing aspect is what Mr Buffett has chosen not to invest in. It’s a certainty that the investment banks seeking out rescue capital over the past few weeks would have had Omaha, Mr Buffett’s home town, high on their list of places to visit. Mr Buffett has the cash ($50 billion and rising), the reputation and the appetite to do just these kinds of big, difficult deals – ballsy investments conventional funds would shun. “I can spend money faster than Imelda Marcos when things are right,” he once said.

Rumours he was poised to invest in the troubled investment bank Bear Stearns, then in the mortgage lender Countrywide Financial, turned out to be false. Since then Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, UBS and Merrill Lynch have all gone out in search of rescue capital and have all struck deals with Middle Eastern or Asian sovereign wealth funds.

In every case, Mr Buffett has been nowhere to be seen.

The idea that Mr Buffett wants nothing to do with banks doesn’t square with the facts. He was certainly bruised by his investment in Salomon Brothers in the 1990s. He joked at the time: “I felt like the drama critic who wrote ‘I would have enjoyed the play except that I had an unfortunate seat. It faced the stage’.” But in the end he exited Salomon with a respectable profit when it was offloaded to Travelers, later merged with Citigroup. Bank investments like American Express and Wells Fargo have also paid off handsomely.

In the latest deals, the banks were dangling seemingly enticing terms. Citigroup offered a juicy 13 per cent coupon on the convertible shares sold to Abu Dhabi while Merrill gave the Singaporeans a 12 per cent discount and a money-back guarantee. Yet Mr Buffett appears not to have been swayed.

Goldman Sachs reckons Wall Street’s finest are due to confess to yet another wave of sub-prime writedowns. Mr Buffett’s apparent indifference thus far to any of the approaches and blandishments from said banks suggests he might agree.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berkshirehathaway; billionaires; buffett; marmonholdings; warrenbuffett
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To: bruinbirdman; Greysard
Interesting observation about investment into inelastic demand goods. I made a somewhat similar observation some time ago that he really invests in inflation, i.e. industries (insurance etc.) or products (See's, Coca-Cola etc.) that either benefit from or can withstand inflation much better than non-brand name products.

That also explains his reluctance to invest in high technology, an internally and externally essentially deflationary industry, aside from his explanation that he "doesn't understand it".

41 posted on 12/28/2007 6:13:59 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Thank you for your kind reply.

Yes, it’s funny how some billionaires (Howard Hughes, Richard Branson) go off on adventures and try to positively effect the world around them while others, like Buffett, are bores who seem to do nothing but see how much wealth they can stockpile for themselves.


42 posted on 12/28/2007 6:22:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: billybudd

and moron


43 posted on 12/28/2007 6:26:39 PM PST by reg45
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To: Lancey Howard

For people like Howard Hughes money is a just reward for lifetime of inventions and trying to improve things around them, for society’s sake or just because they can.

For Warren Buffett, hypocrisy and callousness is his just reward for thinking of and making nothing but money.


44 posted on 12/28/2007 6:48:31 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; farmer18th
Among living titans of industry, only George Soros springs to mind as a possible rival.

With respect to Buffet and Soros, there is an historical template being replicated. They are Twenty-First Century counterparts to Cecil Rhodes and J.P. Morgan. Neither of them really owns their wealth, they merely manage it. Unfortunately, there seem to be few left around here who will understand the reference... /grin

45 posted on 12/28/2007 7:09:39 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: CutePuppy
" can withstand inflation much better than non-brand name products."

Good point. My dad always said get a job in an industry that deals with something everyone needs. He is an engineer; was in natural gas.

I was in grocery distribution and warehousing.

Along those lines I always thought of toilet paper.

Commodities are a different category. While I was in food distribution, the company had an absolute rule that the buyers could not speculate on commodities, not even as a hedge. We bought finished product not raw material.

I don't see Berkshire Hathaway in speculative assets. Strictly long term investments. Hmm. It does own insurance companies.

yitbos

46 posted on 12/28/2007 7:24:01 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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To: bruinbirdman

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.


47 posted on 12/30/2007 4:15:03 AM PST by montag813
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To: Greysard

He’s investing against inflation. Producers will raise cost of goods to cover inflation whereas banks will not. The banks’ 13% and 20% rates offered to Dubai and Singapore offer insight into the anticipated real inflation rate over the life of those loans.


48 posted on 12/30/2007 4:44:51 AM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: tarheelswamprat

I understand the reference and raise you one. Go back and read the 4 categories of investments in #6 and see if that doesn’t remind you of something about to be built, something very wide, incredibly long and lined with motels, restaurants and gas stations not to mention rail lines.


49 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:23 AM PST by Sal (Is Senator Kyl trying to rehab himself from Grand Betrayer status? I hope so but don't trust him.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Top that off with that he doesn’t believe in helping his family, but willing hands over billions of dollars of Berkshire stock to the nonprofit Gates foundation

That's just libelous. Where is there one shred of evidence that any member of Buffet's family wants for anything?

Well, this is just my personal observation from reading his autobiography and watching a show on Oprah with the wife, where his granddaughter stated he does not help his children or grandchildren. All he would do is pay for their college education and then they were on their own. The point I am making is he should not be held up as a folk hero. Yes, the man is a brilliant investor but it seems to me he has let his family down. With his wealth, there really is no reason for doing that. Meanwhile, he is a blatant hypocrite that wants to tax people more while sheltering his wealth in a nonprofit charity. If he was the least bit sincere he should let Uncle Sam get their cut or basically quit telling everyone else we need to be taxed more.
50 posted on 01/02/2008 10:43:26 AM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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