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Video of Abortion Arrests at Rudy Giuliani's; Why are Clergy Silent
Christian Newswire ^ | 12/23/07 | Randall Terry

Posted on 12/26/2007 10:47:23 AM PST by wagglebee

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Perhaps the most damning excuse – the most self-incriminating fear - used to justify the deafening silence of bishops and protestant clergy during an election cycle or during battles over pending legislation is the fear of losing the Church's "tax-exempt status."

Words cannot express the revulsion we should all feel at this excuse. Who is Lord of the Church? Caesar or Christ? Who is Lord of the Gospel? Jesus or the IRS?

In honest assessment, the tax-exempt status can only be viewed as a glorified bribe--godless hush money--used to buy the Church's silence.

Very well said.

1 posted on 12/26/2007 10:47:25 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/26/2007 10:47:56 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/26/2007 10:48:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

God Bless these brave people for their courage and perseverance. They are the frontline prolifers.

I hope they bug Giuliani until he drops out.


4 posted on 12/26/2007 11:36:40 AM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: wagglebee

I can’t help but question the timimg on this.

Giuliani’s going down, thankfully, in the all-powerful polls.

It seems his message is being heard, and rejected,by the base.

I hope this does not backfire.


5 posted on 12/26/2007 11:40:09 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: wagglebee

TG for You-Tube. We don’t have to depend on MSM accounts of what happened here. We can see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears the events outside Giuliani’s office.

The one who galls me the most is the young cop at the end who is arguing with the gray-haired woman (is that Joan?)
He sounds like a petty tyrant telling her she can’t exercise her Constitutional rights to free speech and assembly. Then he tries to throw a guilt trip on her by telling her she is harming the public by taking the cops off their regular beat.

Nasty little New Hampshire Nazis.

Someone in Giuliani’s office called out the cops on these peaceful demonstrators.

That horrible RINO adulterer Giuliani will never get my vote!


6 posted on 12/26/2007 11:47:45 AM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

I disagree. It was Giuliani’s people who called in the cops on these peaceful prolifers. That makes Giuliani look like Mussolini Jr. Will NH Republicans vote for a petty tyrant who wants to squelch free speech?

He will lose any traction he had at all over this.


7 posted on 12/26/2007 11:50:35 AM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: wagglebee
I don’t know much about the tax exempt status issue of churches.

Why would a church lose its tax exempt status for saying, “Don’t vote for a candidate that favors abortion!” ? Why would it be illegal for the church to publish the position of candidates on this issue.

By the way, on Christmas Eve our family watched the movie about the great abolitionist William Wilberforce.

8 posted on 12/26/2007 11:54:22 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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Someone in Giuliani’s office called out the cops on these peaceful demonstrators.

Rooty's toast.

Stupid maneuver even if he was set up. A word from Rooty would have seen the cops evaporate and made the RINO look good.

9 posted on 12/26/2007 11:57:21 AM PST by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: wagglebee; All

Thanks for posting wags.

A question for those who have stated Terry’s a crackpot, gives pro-life a bad name, is on a ego trip (from previous threads, yes, especially my friends)...

Is it the truth or not? I’ve heard every type of opinion on the person,, nothing on the truth.

It seems a lot of us have to choose our banners, there is no wiggle room. There is nothing without respect for life... period.

Now we can lambaste while sitting on our ample rears and maybe send a C note in, say ‘well I know someone or my wife does it’ or we can open our mouths and tell the truth. Sad to say, i’ve even witnessed an eugenic spirit (by ‘Christians’), when it comes to abortion and minorities. If anyone wants to create levels... we’ve become Darwin, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Sanger and the Buck case lawyers (as you know way back, we had forced sterilization in almost thirty states way before it really kicked in). Eugenics is a huge tree with many branches operating full speed this minute. There is a choice to be made.

Here in NYC we have yet another case of a teenager and the parents differing opinions re: pulling the plug (btw, same hospital 12 year old boys plug pulled pronto after dentist incident). Not only does this teenager mirror my daughter’s story in her early life, I know a lot on this medically and I know the doctor in question. It’s personal. I made an appointment to meet with him, maybe he’ll kick me out, who knows. The story doesn’t sound right in so many ways.

Go to the NY Daily News website and read the cover story.


10 posted on 12/26/2007 12:18:58 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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I have also heard rumors and innuendo about Randall Terry, though NOBODY seems to be able to actually say what the problem is.

I think that the message of Christmas reminds us that NONE OF US are perfect and we all have flaws. And I think in the end, the human spiritual experience boils down to one beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.

I don't know Randall Terry, but I do know that he has done a lot of good in the fight to protect life and until I am told of a reason to mistrust him, I will continue to applaud his work.

Eugenics is a huge tree with many branches operating full speed this minute. There is a choice to be made.

Eugenics is, in my opinion, the most dangerous tool that Satan has EVER developed. Nearly all widespread human conflict in the past century and a half has been related to some eugenics-based agenda, yet if you asked the average person about eugenics they wouldn't even know what it was about.

Here is an interesting editorial on eugenics:

Hoosier eugenics: a horrible centennial

11 posted on 12/26/2007 12:33:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; NYer; holdonnow

I want you guys to read this. This is not the story for the cover in the right sidebar... It was two full pages with pics.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/index.html


12 posted on 12/26/2007 12:33:39 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Agree.

Buh-bye, Rooty!


13 posted on 12/26/2007 12:33:58 PM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I am guessing that the vast majority of the people that support Rooty are not ardently Pro Life.
14 posted on 12/26/2007 12:37:23 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: AliVeritas; 8mmMauser

Thanks for posting this.

8mm posted about it today in the Terri thread, it is definitely a story that needs to get out there.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937601/posts?page=173#173


15 posted on 12/26/2007 12:37:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I am guessing that the vast majority of the people that support Rooty are not ardently Pro Life.

From what I've seen of the Rooty Rooters on FR (both banned and not banned), the vast majority of them aren't even nominally pro-life, in fact many of them are enthusiastically pro-death.

16 posted on 12/26/2007 12:39:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Therefore, Rudy has no negative impact from this action.


17 posted on 12/26/2007 12:46:08 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Palladin

I don’t know.

Is Giuliani surging in NH?
If not, the timing may be bad. That is what I worry about.

If memory serves me correctly, Terry lost credibility over a personal issue.

I have spent time with him, and while I did not doubt his sincerity about the sanctity of life, he did seem to love the media attention.


18 posted on 12/26/2007 12:49:47 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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Therefore, Rudy has no negative impact from this action.

I wouldn't say that. FReepers and people who are very committed to a candidate at this stage are more likely to be "die hard" types who tend to know a lot more about nearly every potential candidate than the average voter. Once the primaries get into full swing, people will start paying a lot more attention.

19 posted on 12/26/2007 12:59:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

My first reaction when I saw this was: “Why aren’t these people demonstrating outside Hillary’s Campaign HQ?”. Or Obama’s or Edwards, for that matter. Clearly, it’s because they know that if they’re going to get any news coverage at all, you’ve got to bash a Republican candidate. That doesn’t make them wrong about Giuliani, but it does make them a bit selective in the target of their wrath. Then again, and you can call me cynical, this may just be another Huckster or Willard ploy.


20 posted on 12/26/2007 1:19:18 PM PST by pawdoggie
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