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To: Rick_Michael

“Of course, nobody thinks that a person should be denied employment because of their private sex life.”

Got any evidence that anyone is denied employment under current law?

Problem is, these federal or state or even city-level mandates extend far beyond those employers who don’t care and are more than happy to offer employment.

They extend to employers who do care, and compel behavior nonetheless.

For example, should a Christian bookstore be compelled by law — state or federal — to hire an individual who openly identifies himself as being involved in homosexual behavior?

Should Focus on the Family (or anyone else) be compelled to hire a man who insists on wearing a pink skirt to work and using the women’s restroom, locker room, and shower?


46 posted on 12/26/2007 2:37:48 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

This is like the millionth time this has happened, but FYI, you’re quoting someone I was replying to. Thus the reason I quoted it.

No biggy, but just pay attention to that.


49 posted on 12/26/2007 3:30:49 PM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Since the quote was from me, I’ll answer your post.

I don’t believe there is any significant discrimination against gays — I was simply expressing what I think is the conservative position about the matter, not trying to speak to a problem that needs to be addressed.

However, the rest of your post does indicate that there could be discrimination against openly gay people in employment, and that you would support it.

And you know what, I agree with you, at least in part. But I’m not entirely comfortable with the end result of such a individual-freedom policy.

What would I do if it became the norm for companies to refuse to hire Christians, for whatever reason? My belief in private individual freedom of association would suggest that I should support such a policy, even though it seems it would be “wrong”.

The answer I come up with is that it just would never happen. Sure, some companies might decide not to hire christians, but others would jump at the chance to hire them, so in the end we’d all work for companies that appreciated our religious background one way or another.

But that gets us back then to the question — do we really believe a person should NOT be denied employment because of their private sex life, or do we apply our 1st amendment rights to who we employ, and therefore believe is it perfectly OK for people to be denied employment for WHATEVER REASON we choose — whether it be their sex, their sexual preference, their religion, or their skin color?

It becomes a theoretical discussion, because you already can’t discriminate even privately based on race, or really sex, and probably not based on religion.

If those three categories are protected from the application of the 1st amendment’s association right, how would we argue against including private sexual preferences in that “exception” to our right of free association?


69 posted on 12/26/2007 10:07:42 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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