Posted on 12/25/2007 7:06:18 PM PST by B-Chan
“Ahhh the good ol days”
Fond memories of “sars” and what not.
I hope we’re outta here by then. We shall see. Even the birth pangs leading up to such are likely to be less than wonderful.
The
WATCHMAN NEE effect?
LOL.
There is that . . . something I have thought of, and prayed about, BTW.
Rumors of large scale Federal detention centers have been circulating on the internet for years.
If Clinton tried that crap there would be calls for impeachment, while President Bush wants it, it’s okay.
Sad.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5122
H.R. 5122 [109th]: John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007
SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
‘‘§ 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
‘‘(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.—
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to—
‘‘(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that—
‘‘(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
‘‘(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
‘‘(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection,
violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
‘‘(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that—
‘‘(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
H. R. 5122—323
‘‘(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
‘‘(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.
‘‘(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.—The President shall notify Congress
of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.’’.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.—Section 334 of such title
is amended by inserting ‘‘or those obstructing the enforcement
of the laws’’ after ‘‘insurgents’’.
(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.—The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
‘‘CHAPTER 15—ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER’’.
(4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.—(A) The tables of chapters
at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
inserting the following new item:
‘‘15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order ....................................... 331’’.
(B) The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 15
of such title is amended by striking the item relating to sections
333 and inserting the following new item:
‘‘333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law.’’.
(b) PROVISION OF SUPPLIES, SERVICES, AND EQUIPMENT.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 152 of such title is amended
by adding at the end the following new section: See also: http://public.cq.com/docs/hs/hsnews110-000002496845.html
CQ HOMELAND SECURITY – LOCAL RESPONSE
April 24, 2007 – 7:24 p.m.
The nation’s governors and National Guard leaders oppose a provision inserted into the fiscal 2007 defense authorization bill last year redefining when the president can take command of the National Guard during domestic emergencies. No member of the House or Senate is claiming responsibility for the provision, which amends the Insurrection Act of 1807.
Governors are in an uproar because the little-noticed provision was inserted into the authorization bill (PL 109-364) without consulting governors, adjutant generals or law enforcement officials across the country.
As result, all of the nation’s governors are in support of a bill (S 513) introduced Feb. 7 by Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., that would repeal the language inserted into the defense authorization bill.
“This is a serious problem,” Gov. Michael F. Easley, D-N.C., told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. Easley said the new language in the defense authorization measure unnecessarily expands the president’s authority to call up the National Guard and undermines the governors’ abilities to do their jobs. “This should not be a tug of war between the governors and the president,” said Easley, who is the NGA co-lead on National Guard.
But a tug-of-war it’s become.
According to a draft letter from the Department of Defense’s general counsel, obtained by Congressional Quarterly, the department opposes Leahy’s Insurrection Act Rider appeal bill. The draft letter is from William J. Haynes II, Defense general counsel, and it’s addressed to Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich.
“If this legislation is enacted, it would affect the Department detrimentally by revoking a congressionally granted authority for the President to direct the Secretary of Defense to preserve life and property and by limiting the president’s authority to call upon the Reserves to restore order, repel invasions or suppress rebellions,” Haynes wrote in th draft letter.
While there are only eight cosponsors of Leahy’s bill, there has been no apparent opposition, one Senate aide said.
The administration’s alleged insistence that the president’s authority to command the guard be clarified and expanded came after much debate over the response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
Leahy, Judiciary Committee chairman, said the way the provision was slipped into the defense authorization bill is not appropriate. “It’s not just bad process, it’s bad policy,” he said. Christopher S. Bond, R-Mo., said the new provision is “ill-conceived, unnecessary and dumb.”
In addition some say the president had all the authority he needed to command the guard during Katrina, and the new language wasn’t necessary to expand authority he already possessed.
“The president’s authority under the law before [the defense authorization bill was enacted] gave the president just as much power as he has under the new law,” said Stephen Dycus, a professor at Vermont Law School who has spent years studying the Insurrection Act. “Under either measure, I think the president has all the statutory power that he wants that he could need to respond to a terrorist attack or to a natural disaster.”
Dycus said the provision “was probably stuck in as a fig leaf to cover the president’s failures in responding to Hurricane Katrina.”
Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, agreed that the provision may have been a face-saving move for the administration. But Fidell said someone in Congress should own up to inserting the language. “A provision that no one will defend is a provision that doesn’t belong in the U.S. Code,” Fidell said.
The original language in the Insurrection Act states that the president may use the armed forces to suppress any “insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” if state and local law enforcement are unable to protect citizens.
Section 1076 of the fiscal 2007 defense authorization bill changes the title of the Insurrection Act to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order.” The bill also was expanded by allowing the president to exercise this right to include, “a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.” S 513 would repeal those changes.
See, they are already after me. Just look what they did to my fonts. WTH.
Finally someone is taking a fresh approach to ending homelessness in America.
A “progressive” approach if you will.
If the conversation at our Christmas dinner was anywhere near truth, I wonder what the real cost to the taxpayer might be.
A guest claims that in Iraq KBR operates dining services for which they receive $27.00 per individual meal served, AND the U.S. government provides the food.
If you think the government does not have the power to protect this country from all enemies and threats both foreign and DOMESTIC......
Read the Constitution.
Secondly, GWB would be the last person on the planet that I would fear.
Hillary is another story.
Certainly, government power can be used for tyranny......No doubt about it. It could happen, but it won't happen for long, and we have guns. In fact, this is why we have guns.
Post 9/11, this country has faced a variety of problems, both internal and external. It is the governments responsibility to make sure they can handle any contingency. If that makes you nervous, it should.
If this makes you angry, you are simply ignorant of the reality that we all expect our government to be ready for anything. In fact, we demand it.
Ack! The DUmmies were right!
Run!
Are these detention camps to be built somewhere close to where they have all these white buses stored and ready for deployment.... I think a bunch have been located somewhere out in the barren acreage of Texas.
‘In fact, this is why we have guns.’
Exactly my point.
We, the people, not the Gov’t have the power and are the first defenders here. The Gov’t does not need more power.
‘If this makes you angry, you are simply ignorant of the reality that we all expect our government to be ready for anything. In fact, we demand it.’
Lol. Thus the difference between us. You depend on Gov’t, I’ll depend on myself. Lol.
That sounds about right...
It reflects the costs of doing business in a war zone. This is why KBR is doing it. They are the best at it and yes, they do get paid.
But just think about cooks who make well over 200K a year, and that is less than a truck driver.
27 dollars is reasonable when you consider just how much money it takes to do what they do, and most importantly where they do it.
Hillary’s going to use them to imprison FReepers.
If the Goracle becomes President, the camps will be used for global warming deniers.
Until they realized that having so many smelly hippies confined together presented a bio-hazard.
We elect people to do things for us, and one of those things is now called homeland security.
One day, I hope it is not needed as much, but that day is not coming for a long, long time.
Like I said, it should worry you that it is necessary, but getting PO'd about it is a waste of energy.
When you put the ducks in order, the first duck is each and every American who depends on some government agency to keep the bad guys from trashing Christmas dinner. Whether you know it or like it is not the issue. The issue is that the reality of a dangerous world exists and there are indeed serious dangers that could cause or lead to a chaos in the public that could destroy the country if not controlled immediately. Everyone depends on the economy for survival. Everyone depends on government services, whether you admit it or not. There are multiple intertwined levels of dependency and security that are all necessary.
I don't think there are any more free territories where you can go and be free of government. Perhaps when we get our domestic space program in order, you can go to Mars Colony or some such. You really remind me of my younger brother. He shares your fears, and wastes a great deal of time and energy complaining about his freedoms, or lack of same. Yet he has not lost anything that he can point out, except that he can no longer shoot his guns because the city limits now extend to his property. He nearly was arrested and charged for all sorts of violations, and it has driven him nearly mad.
I tell him the same things I'm telling you. In the interim, you are stuck here, and that government needs to be watched like a hawk, but the basis for it also needs to be understood.
We have a damn good process for that, and it works. That process is not broken.
Have a nice day.....
I respectfully disagree with your constant love and want of more Gov’t and authority.
You have a nice day as well.
Given the nature of war today any government would be sorely remiss in not preparing for the possibilities.
This war is for all the marbles. It's not 1968. It ain't cute to skip around for the smiling MSM employees chanting Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh is going to win. Not this time.
Nothing less focuses the mind as well to discern the difference between loyal opposition to your government's defense policy and outright sedition and treason.
And Jihadists especially should clearly understand that thars' pain on them thar' paths to martyrdom and not just for themselves, for their supporters also.
IMO.
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