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To: AndyJackson
Uh well - in difference to you I probably know a few real Nazis. Dangerous and intelligent Nazis. As a German who was born into a family with many interesting contacts I even had the "privilege" to meet a few of the real "old" Nazis.

They had immense influence in western Germany, but in the meantime they are all dust. We Germans overcame nazism through time. Practically nobody of the contemporary generation feels responsible anymore. The Holocaust happened more than 60 years ago and we are over it. The "common guilt" of Germany might be something foreigners believe into, but not we Germans. We are aware that our country has to deal with a dirty past and nameless crimes, but all the causers are practically death. It is simply over.

You could compare it with the genocide of Indians in the US. This is also over and history.

Since we are the ones who define our attitudes it is up to us to deal with such harmless BS like dogs that are called "Adolf". Who cares? We should stop to carry over the job of the Gestapo. Hitler for sure would not have been amused if a dog would have been named after him. Doing so is quite insulting in Germany. Our police has better things to do than to waste time and money to such foolishness.

31 posted on 12/23/2007 9:26:14 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (Avoid boring people!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
I have the highest regard for German culture, actually, and the issue I raise is not an issue of trying to perpetuate a sense of common guilt.

The problem I pose is to understand not who were influential leaders in forming the ideas underlying Nazism, but the social forces that made that point of view acceptable and brought the Nazis into power over the bodies, live and dead, of most decent, cultured and educated Germans at that time. It was a politics of disafection, certainly, and England France and communist Russia bore no small part of the responsibility.

34 posted on 12/23/2007 9:37:04 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Well said.


37 posted on 12/23/2007 9:47:53 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Yeah, it seems like some folks in Germany and Poland got over their "collective guilt" pretty quickly. See the documentary "the Last Days" for example.

And the history of the Indians in the U.S. is not comparable to the Holocaust. That is an ignorant statement.

53 posted on 12/23/2007 11:01:34 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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