Posted on 12/22/2007 7:23:39 AM PST by driftdiver
You got that right, Sis! Ignore the flames. It’s not the tasers that have made the cops bad, it’s the cellphones that have made everyone who has them plum insane!
Tase all the yoga instructors outta bidnyz, pleeze!
“Disrespect of cop” seems to be the ultimate crime. Worse yet, your average cop on the street doesn’t know squat about constitutional rights. Most of them are trying to do the right thing without having a clue about what “right” is.
Yes I’m assuming guilt, but only for the sake of discussing a hypothetical case.
I have no idea from the video if the yoga lady was indeed disturbing the peace with her shouting and swearing. Perhaps she was, perhaps not. Right now it doesn’t matter to me, as in I’m more interested in exploring the general principles involved.
Forget her for a moment, because I don’t care right now about her particular case, but rather the “rules of engagement” that officers should follow.
Assume a person is shouting in a store and is “disturbing the peace” in the view of the officer, who repeatedly tries to get the person to stop their shouting and disruption, and whose orders to desist are repeatedly and forcefully refused by the shouter, who continues to yell and “disturb the peace”. The officer warns the shouter that they are now under arrest and told to turn around and submit to handcuffs and the shouter yells “No, f#&k off, B#@%ch!
At this point what would you have the officer do? Is physical restraint proper at this point?
Granted, we cannot hear what was said, but if one underhanded comment set this person off, she does not need to be a cop.
Read a report earlier of a man arrested for murder. He had on bloody clothes, was wielding a knife, and trying to run from the cops. He was arrested without incident.
The difference? Professionalism, pure and simple.
Even here at FreeRepublic, this type of over the top jackbooted thug approach to law enforcement has been noted. The good cops will bear a lot of burdens for tolerating this other type of cop in their ranks and the FIRST burden they will have is a lack of any "benefit of the doubt".
This type of thing has been happening for a long time, but it's happening far too often and the attitudes of far too many officers on the beat has become at best abusive and at worst fascist.
They want the benefit of the doubt, then they better clean up their own ranks because even the good folk are starting to take notice.
I like the truism, which I learned from someone here, “There are few situations that can’t be made worse by the addition of a cop.”
Sayings like that don’t spring from a vacuum.
>>it’s not PC, but there should be firm physical as well as psychological standards for service as a police officer. It’s not a “right” to be a cop; it’s a privilege.
You can say that again. Look at the case of Brian Nichols and the courthouse shootings in Atlanta. The female sheriff’s deputy “guarding” him was an out of shape grandmother.
Once again the cop didn’t feel like they were getting the proper boot lickin and decided to teach her whose boss.
139 posted on 12/22/2007 2:34:49 PM PST by driftdiver
Bingo!
I ran into one of the same type Friday in Pinellas County.
I saw the video, poorly (jerkily) because of my old computer, but nonetheless from what I saw the exchange could have happened as I imagined in my hypothetical:
"Assume a person is shouting in a store and is “disturbing the peace” in the view of the officer, who repeatedly tries to get the person to stop their shouting and disruption, and whose orders to desist are repeatedly and forcefully refused by the shouter, who continues to yell and “disturb the peace”. The officer warns the shouter that they are now under arrest and told to turn around and submit to handcuffs and the shouter yells “No, f#&k off, B#@%ch!"
Or it could have been worse, with the lady threatening the officer.
And in that case, the officer may have simply followed her training in tasering the offender. In fact if she didn't subdue the offender, the officer may have failed to do her duty as instructed.
What happened?
The clerk's initial suspicion arose when the customer set the card down and walked out the door. Presumably for a cell phone call or in the clerk's mind, having second thoughts on using a stolen card. But the customer came back to the counter, where the video starts, with phone in hand, supporting the customer's version of events.
The officer walked up with hand on weapon and drew shortly there after. If she didn't have a taser, would this have been a time and place to draw a firearm? IMO, no, not in a crowded store without some kind of REAL threat by the "so called" perp. The excuses range from "well it's non lethal" to "there's no collateral damage" to discharging a taser. Neither wash in my book.
What you do see, jerky or not, is the limited amount of time from the officer's arrival to her drawing her weapon (taser), so any speculation about what "could" have been said in the interim, can not and should not, play into the officer's reactions.
While I do agree mouthing off to a cop is pretty stupid, last time I checked, stupidity was not a crime.
The cops in Daytona are usually pretty good at handling crowds as you said. Could be an error in judgement on the part of one officer, but we will see as the case develops.
I needed directions to get to a certain location.
I went to ask a Deputy Sheriff in a guard shack how to get to this location I was talked down to and treated rudely by her. And still did not get the directions.
I later contacted two others who went out of their way to show me where the location was.
So, in essence, I met two decent individuls and one south end of a northbound horse.
There are those who wear the uiform that believe that they are more important than God Almighty and one should never approach them unless one is on their knees.
In my opinion, the star in this story fits the above paragraph to a tee.
http://www.wftv.com/video/14900666/index.html
In all of these videos where people are under the threat of being tased they all look like deer in a head lights.
Their arm goes up and they back away it seem like the are in a state of shock and have no awareness what the officer is saying they are in a state of panic.
So I really think it is unfair to zap a person who is being traumatized.
I am sure their mind it is going a mile a minuet, heart pounding and has no attention as to what the officer is saying these tazers look like guns!
In all our history citizens who are not trouble makers are experiencing a form of terrorism this is the land of the free not Nazi Germany.
The one in Canada where the man died at the airport you mean no one knew what flight he came in on like Poland and he spoke polish. I can’t believe the ignorance of the staff and customer service.
Someone who in law should look up and see when these new law enforcement were sign into law because it seems like a New World Order agreement.
If you noticed this is being implement universally.
I know in the 1980’s there was some kind of a UN bill that congress sign that undermind our US sovereignty and than I never heard anymore about it!
Did you watch the video this kind of action is uncalled for!
May you not panic should someone draw a taser on you that looks like a gun!
Most of us in all our lives here in America who are law abidiing citizens never had to experience being treated like a criminal.
The speed is to fast it should be normal speed??
http://www.wftv.com/video/14900666/index.html
??!! Bad penny ping?
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