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To: Bob J
will you admit that you’ve had almost two years to get your supporting congresscritters to do such (which would result in the immediate freeing of Ramos and Compean) and that instead you’ve been writing letters and attending/organizing rallies demanding a pardon, inciting stupid ass conspiracy theories about the New World Order, and in general have been using and perpetrating the issue to advance your border security efforts at the expense of Ramos, Compean and their families?

Had I done any of the things you state, I would acknowledge them. However, I haven't.

Regardless, that has nothing to do with you supporting your silly contentions about ex post facto laws. Either you can support it or you can't. We now know that you can't support it with links to all those attorneys you contend were stating it on these threads. Go ahead--consult with your buddy and get back to us.

210 posted on 12/28/2007 3:16:00 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; Bob J; AndrewC
Gee, why didn't Sutton allow the BP agents to delay serving their sentences until after the Fifth Circuit made their ruling...? Sutton could have shown a little bit of mercy right there after sending these guys to federal prison and bankrupting their families. At least they could have spent spent the holidays with their families one final time before possibly spending the next decade in prison.

Apparently he had a real big ax to grind and his office argued vigorously against the proposal during the sentencing hearing.

Conceivably they could have even saved the taxpayers some money in the event that the Fifth Circuit overturned the verdicts.

211 posted on 12/28/2007 4:08:10 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: calcowgirl; Cyropaedia

From our resident FR Constitutional attorney;

“Ex post facto applies in only one direction. Congress cannot make an act into a crime after the act has been committed. On the other hand, Congress does have the power to “undeclare” an act as a crime. These answers are rock solid as a matter of constitutional law.”

I quote a statement from others and you call bullshiite on it. You don’t know if you’re right, you don’t even check to see if you’re right, you just don’t want it to be so you start flapping your gums and spouting anything that comes into your head.

Which pretty much sums up the way you have been arguing this case for the last year.

So I just proved everything I’ve been saying. For two years you have had at your disposal the simplest, quickest option for getting Ramos and Compean out of jail and you haven’t even checked it out much less considered it.

So my accusation stands. Many supporters of an R&C “pardon” are using this incident to further their own pet issues (whether it be border security, the illuminati or something else) and the longer they stay in jail the longer you can milk it.

Despicable.


216 posted on 12/29/2007 7:15:18 AM PST by Bob J
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