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"Yes those two agents lied, it is a known fact that they are liars."

How dare you call 2 of our finest Border Patrol agents liars, agents who daily put their lives on the line protecting America from the invasion of illegals and druggies from the south (/sarcasm).

I love your "known fact..liars" comment. Juarez and Vasquez were fired from their jobs because they at first tried to hide the shooting and under pressure relented. Where is the outrage that these two fine officers lost their jobs because they tried "the blue line of silence" to protect Compeon and Ramos? Instead you defame them and sully their reputations. Oh, I forgot, neither Vazquez or Juarez shot anyone, so they aren't worthy.

Way to go Mr. #1 defender of Border Patrol agents.

"Calcowgirl, the ditch is a doozy...The ditch is at least twenty feet deep with sloping sides of at least 75 degrees."

You mean this one? The one that several agents testified was 10-12 feet deep? I don't know but it looks to me from this photo that it IS about 10-12 feet deep, but I wasn't looking at it in the dark like you so I could be wrong.

Someone must have gotten a shovel out and dug it 10 feet deeper since the incident.

"At the ditch, I could not see where the van's tires stopped..."

Funny, it's only been 2 years since the shooting, I can't understand why tire tracks in dirt still aren't visable.

"It is pretty evident that Vasquez was at the ditch within seconds of Juarez and would have seen Compean shooting from the levee had Juarez seen him shooting. Vasquez did not see Compean shooting."

For once I agree with you. Vasquez said he heard the shots as he was getting out of his car, but it is also quite possible he fudged this a bit because he didn't want to get dragged further into this obviously bad shoot by Compean or he didn't want to admit that Compean shot from the levee. Neither did Vasquez until it was obvious he was first on the scene and couldn't miss it. They both lost their jobs. All because Compean couldn't say "I got angry and shot, but wasn't trying to hit the guy". In that case only Compean would lose his job and neither him nor Ramos would be in prison.

So let's add it up. Because Compean wanted the shooting covered up we have to agents in prison and two that lost their jobs. Ya, Compean is a hero all right.

"The cock and bull story about Ramos and Compean not KNOWING that Davila was an illegal or drug mule is preposterous."

Knowing is a lot different than probable cause or even reasonable suspicion, but I don't expect you to understand the difference. Not only did they not KNOW, they didn't have probable cause.

"The one thing that it vividly demonstrates is that Juarez is a liar. Compean could not have fallen in face first without going into the water(Compean was not wet) since the sides were so angled and falling from upright to a face down position in the ditch would have probably knocked him unconscious or senseless."

Funny, Compean testified he fell into the side of the ditch, as did Juarez. Neither claimed he fell all the way to the bottom. You're conclusion that Compean must have is only a guess, maybe you should have testified at trial, what with your night vision accuracy and all.

I love your "known fact..liars" comment. Juarez and Vasquez were fired from their jobs because they at first tried to hide the shooting and under pressure relented.

IOW they were liars. Vasquez never tried to hide the shooting. He first appeared with a lawyer and made the statement about the meeting with Compean at the gate. He later made up the count of the casings.

Nice perspective /sarc. Without binocular vision, the picture does not portray the actual depth of the ditch. Two eyeballs do. I will measure it Monday, so be prepared for the numbers.

Funny, it's only been 2 years since the shooting, I can't understand why tire tracks in dirt still aren't visable.

They weren't just tire tracks they were gouges.

IOW, even you think he is a liar.

P.S. It is only obvious that you believe Davila and only Davila.

Knowing is a lot different than probable cause or even reasonable suspicion, but I don't expect you to understand the difference. Not only did they not KNOW, they didn't have probable cause.

Oh, so Bob J insists that the border patrol agents had no right to even follow the van.

Funny, Compean testified he fell into the side of the ditch, as did Juarez.

Read the testimony, Compean testified he slipped. Initially so did Juarez. Sutton et al. changed that to read "fell headlong" in order to explain the dust which was seen by many other agents.

Plus, you have a great misunderstanding of argument. I argued that if it were true that Compean fell headlong into the ditch, he would have hit the bottom. He didn't(he was not wet). Therefore any testimony that indicates that Compean fell face down into the ditch is most likely a lie.

Hey buddy, I have done something neither you nor the jury nor the judge has done. I went to the ditch. I drove the route. The day you do so, you might have some credibility. At the moment, you have none.

maybe you should have testified at trial, what with your night vision accuracy and all.

Maybe I should have since Davila sure was off.


2.5 meters = 8.20209974 feet --- Davila's description of the ditch
1.65 meters = 5.41338583 feet --- Davila's testified height



6 Q. Okay. That ditch is about -- how deep would you estimate
7 that ditch is, Mr. Davila?
8 A. Well, the depth of the water, more or less, came up to the
9 level of my knees, maybe a little above, maybe a little below.
10 But how deep the ditch was, I don't know. It's a little taller
11 than -- it's a little higher than I am tall.
12 Q. Okay. Well, you're approximately six feet tall. Is that
13 correct?
14 A. In meters, I am one meter 65 centimeters. In feet, I don't
15 know what that is.
16 Q. Okay. Well, could you estimate in meters, since you were
17 in the ditch, how deep it is?
18 A. No, I don't understand.
19 Q. You don't understand my question?
20 A. No.
21 Q. My question is: Since you were in the ditch, how deep
22 would you approximate that it is, in meters?
23 A. Maybe two and a half meters.
24 Q. Is that approximately 12 feet?
25 A. I don't know. It's approximately two and a half meters.

The platforms in this picture are at 5 and ten meters. Five meters is about 16 feet. Stand on the rail of the 5 meter platform and that is pretty close to the ditch's depth. The highest springboard is 3 meters or almost 10 feet off of the water.