Posted on 12/21/2007 4:37:17 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
The liberals are carrying on about how we need socialized medicine based on this example while ignoring the thousands of similar stories from countries that have universal healthcare.
Insurance companies suck! Liver transplants are not experimental.
Socialized medicine is not the cure.
Perhaps they wish this so more people can die.
This is just such a sad story though. It goes to show that the insurance industry does need reform... but going socialist is not the answer.
Under the British or Canadian system, there never would have been a question of a transplant. They would have just taken the girl off life support immediately.
Unless, of course, she was designated as a “national treasure”, as they do in the UK. Specially designated People Who Matter (PWMs) get access to all sorts of treatment that would never be allowed to the common people.
There has never been a Socialist system devised, anywhere, that did not include a way for the elite to escape the ministrations of their benevolent creation.
And these DUmmies think that the government will do better in situations such as this? The same government can’t issue passports in a timely manner, but they would be in charge of issuing approval for transplants and other complex medical procedures. What area of our lives that the government has taken over has improved over the past 50 years? I can’t think of one.
It usually entails a trip to the USA and paying cash.
So you have to ask - without knowing the whole story - why didn’t the parents just go ahead and do it, and worry about the bills later ?
Plenty of time to take the insurance company to court after the transplant is done...
Call me a cynic, but something doesn't look right about this case. The parents are holding protests demanding treatment that the insurance company says is experimental and probably ineffective. Then when they win, they immediately take the girl off life support.
It could be coincidence, or it could be that the eeeeeeeevil CIGNA was right all along, and the treatment was not appropriate in this particular case, and faced with the prospect of futile surgery, the parents made the rational choice.
Since we have no additional information, it is impossible to say which is true.
Oh, wait a minute, now the family is talking lawsuit... Hmmmmm...
So, why didn’t the family just tell the insurance company where to get off and work out some way to pay for the transplant out of pocket? Take care of the child first and then worry about costs. You know any jury would award the child a nice lifetime trust from the insurance company.
Out of pocket? Liver transplants cost several hundred thousand dollars.
I wonder what was “experimental” about a liver transplant?
If you are a Person Who Matters (PWM) in Canada, the Canadian government will pay for you to have treatment in the United States that they do not have the ability to provide themselves. PWMs can always count on adequate care. It's the PWDM who wind up dying waiting for a simple procedure.
Of course, one wonders where the Canadians will go for care once the United States health care system has been destroyed along their model.
The Free Republic understatement of the day! I'm a pilot. My experience with insurance companies as far as airplanes go is that they really are no longer insurance companies at all. They are law firms masquerading as insurance companies....
Probably not the transplant itself, but whether a transplant would actually correct the condition.
Just guessing, however, since there are a lot of missing details here.
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Because everyone knows that it is impossible to get care without an insurer paying for it!
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In all seriousness though... I wonder that as well. Home equity loans, credit cards, lines of credit... If that is what it took to save my children and I could get them, I don't see any other option but to make use of them.
Exactly,
Thousand’s die on waiting lists in the countries with “universial health care”.
Good point. Maybe if the "friends, family and members of a nurses association" held a fund drive instead of a protest, she'd be alive today.
Then again, maybe her parents believed the insurance company's claim that it was experimental, she'd die, and they'd be stuck with $300K in medical bills.
“I’m a pilot. My experience with insurance companies as far as airplanes go is that they really are no longer insurance companies at all. They are law firms masquerading as insurance companies”
Many insurance companies will deny claims at random just to see if the people will dispute it. Things like denying every 10th claim or large claims are common place.
No source that I can post. My source is a ex-director at a local insurance company and others in the medical field.
The coincidence that “the turn for the worse” happened to coincide with the surgery being approved seems suspicious, to me.
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