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Man wants his $400K back from the FBI
LimaOhio.com ^ | 12/18/07 | Greg Sowinski

Posted on 12/21/2007 12:14:30 AM PST by LibWhacker

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To: Welsh Rabbit

There’s not a small number of people who don’t “trust” banks and keep their money in the mattress, so to speak. Every now and then we hear about the house where they find stashed savings after the homeowner’s death. I even considered it myself after $100 increments were literally disappearing from a checking account I had some years ago. I am quite convinced someone was embezzling. I changed banks after I couldn’t get the bank to believe it wasn’t me “forgetting” about money I spent. Amazingly it didn’t occur at the new bank, and it wasn’t because my memory suddenly improved.


61 posted on 12/21/2007 3:35:19 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: kingu

Proof of innocence is an impossible burden. “I reckon he’s done sumpthin’, bring him in. Make him prove he aint done nuthin’. We got a society to protect.” See how that works?


62 posted on 12/21/2007 3:40:00 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: LibWhacker

We have Bill Clinton to thank for this law.


63 posted on 12/21/2007 3:44:47 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: kingu

Hmm..is that local police, or co-conspirators, who, upon realizing that they could not steal the money, handed it over on a silver platter for a 10% kick back from their fellow co-conspirator the FBI?


64 posted on 12/21/2007 3:44:52 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Nailbiter; All
Poor man forgot this fact. Govt printed his money, it was just on loan to him. So they decided to take it back.

/sarcasm

Actually that brings up an excellent point. What if he had 400k in valuable items (say diamonds or gold)? Would / could the FBI confiscate his "property" and treat it the same way they have treated the currency? Or is currency the delineating point here?

65 posted on 12/21/2007 3:45:35 AM PST by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: Toadman
What happened is that they found pot(drugs) so whatever they wanted they could take under forfeiture laws.
I do not think would matter if it was money or some other asset.
I am surprised they stopped at the money, usually they get the cars, house and dog

They probably could have taken his life if he had protested loudly enough.

I really am disgusted by these damn forfeiture laws for drugs possesion.

66 posted on 12/21/2007 3:49:58 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: LibWhacker

Federal thieves. This is one law that needs to be removed from the books. It is a terrible law.


67 posted on 12/21/2007 3:53:24 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: Toadman
Actually that brings up an excellent point. What if he had 400k in valuable items (say diamonds or gold)? Would / could the FBI confiscate his "property" and treat it the same way they have treated the currency? Or is currency the delineating point here?

Let's say it was 400k in gold bars. He'd have a much easier time demonstrating purchase of that gold over time through receipts at least kept by the commodities or gold exchange the metals were purchased through. But let's take it as assumed that this is indeed what he says it is: simply a life's worth of scrimping and saving. That'd be bundles of 1's, 5's 10's and 20's in that safe. That's going to perk the eyes of any police officer, especially when drugs are later found.

There's still that lingering question - why did two guys from Tennessee come driving into Ohio to rob a house that just happened to have marijuana and 400k in cash in it? Bet the statement from the robber who escaped after stabbing the man's son has a lot of play in here. I'd imagine he's been singing like a bird in order to avoid murder charges.

68 posted on 12/21/2007 3:54:50 AM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: goldstategop
Its civil forfeiture. Apparently, its a crime to keep a large sum of money in your home even when you haven't done anything wrong

It is not a crime! It is unusual to keep so much money in your house but it is not illegal.
69 posted on 12/21/2007 4:17:35 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: kingu

I have a feeling junior has a lot more to do with the money than dear old dad. If dad never had a bank account, that backs up his story. Of course, he’d have to show how he converted his paychecks to cash.


70 posted on 12/21/2007 4:23:30 AM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: csvset

The Bill of Rights was killed and placed on a funeral pyre in Waco.

When the government realized that us sheep would allow it, they just took the next step.


71 posted on 12/21/2007 4:30:03 AM PST by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands..)
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To: visualops
There’s not a small number of people who don’t “trust” banks and keep their money in the mattress, so to speak. Every now and then we hear about the house where they find stashed savings after the homeowner’s death. I even considered it myself after $100 increments were literally disappearing from a checking account I had some years ago. I am quite convinced someone was embezzling. I changed banks after I couldn’t get the bank to believe it wasn’t me “forgetting” about money I spent. Amazingly it didn’t occur at the new bank, and it wasn’t because my memory suddenly improved.

Mice. My brother managed a branch bank and told me the story of a mouse that got into this one guy's checking account and it would eat about three or four dollars every day. Every month the guy complained he was short in his account. My brother couldn't figure out how the money kept disappearing. Finally, he put a trap in the guy's account, caught the mouse and there was never a problem again.
72 posted on 12/21/2007 4:41:40 AM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: rabscuttle385

Seems to me that the LEO and prosecutors should have to prove the money was proceeds from some criminal enterprise or some other nefarious goings-on.
This is reprehensible. It is offensive on so many levels.

Give the guy back his money. Stop screwing around with him. Just because some bureaucrat thinks no one can accumulate a little pile of bucks honestly...


73 posted on 12/21/2007 4:42:35 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion.)
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To: LibWhacker

Our govt hates cash. They want the money in places they can see and access.


74 posted on 12/21/2007 4:43:26 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Welsh Rabbit
Also, you don’t have to worry about robbers (common or government) coming into your home and taking all the money you have in the world if you have a savings account, IRA, mutual fund, ect.

No, then they do not have to storm the home for it. They just peck away at it every year, and nibble at the interest and capital gains, know you have it, and never stop thinking about it sitting there, while they NEED it.

75 posted on 12/21/2007 5:09:49 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Political Junkie Too
Shouldn't the FBI have to prove that he didn't?

Because they found a joint in his house, the special drug Constitution applies. It doesn't have a Bill of Rights.

76 posted on 12/21/2007 5:16:15 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: PubliusMM
The guy admitted to being involved in the drug trade.

He had a stash, a stash of cash, and guns. Also some unsavory business associates. On the sketchy evidence presented in the article, I am seeing a preponderance of evidence that he was dealing.
77 posted on 12/21/2007 5:20:05 AM PST by wrench
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To: kingu
first part would be to avoid illegal behavior, so you don't get into this mess. He's not a law abiding citizen, he's a participant in a criminal activity.

But in the old days, he would have to be tried, convicted and a fine assessed. Sorry, but what the FBI just did is stealing. So far as I'm concerned they deserve whatever an old man with nothing to lose is willing to do to them.

78 posted on 12/21/2007 5:20:33 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: LibWhacker

The government has no right to steal our money.

this is wrong at every level.


79 posted on 12/21/2007 5:22:07 AM PST by commonguymd (Move it to the right -Vote for Fred!)
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To: goldstategop

I am bothered by the unfairness and randomness of the ‘punishment’. Someone with 50 kilos of marijuana and ten dollars may have his ten dollars confiscated, but someone with half a million and one joint gets his 500K taken away.


80 posted on 12/21/2007 5:23:27 AM PST by sportutegrl
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