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To: wideawake

When I get into it with one of these “experts” who say we dont have the right to go to war in another country...all I do is ask them this-”Then we must have screwed up when we went to war with the Barbery (sic) pirates then?”

The only problem I have with this conflict is..It isnt a declared war. If we would have declared war a lot of these issues like the patriot act and the detaining of prisoners at gitmo would not have come up.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 6:15:14 AM PST by crz
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To: crz
They would claim that Jefferson did not really understand the Constitution
45 posted on 12/19/2007 6:27:51 AM PST by sticker
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To: crz
It isnt a declared war.

Yes, it was. This is a common piece of Ron Paul propaganda: however, Congress indeed authorized the use of force to remove the Hussein regime.

The issue is that we are no longer at war with a sovereign entity, because we are now allies with the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan - we are currently fighting a number of private organizations.

You cannot declare war on Al-Qaeda the way you could declare war on Iraq - Al-Qaeda is not a sovereign entity, but a bunch of dirtbags with ordinance.

So the question is: how do you conduct war against private citizens of states (i.e. Pakistanis, Saudis, Iraqis, Jordanians, Egyptians) when the states of which they are citizens are allies?

You do that with the PATRIOT Act and detention at Guantanamo along with other measures.

50 posted on 12/19/2007 6:36:04 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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