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The Global Money Machine
The Wall Street Journal ^ | December 14, 2007 | DAVID ROCHE

Posted on 12/18/2007 7:52:49 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot

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No longer could central banks determine how much debt was created. They used to do that by limiting the amount of central-bank money they supplied, which formed the base of all loans

Hmmmmm....M1 only grew about 5% over the LAST 4 YEARS!!!

1 posted on 12/18/2007 7:52:51 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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Interesting Ping!
2 posted on 12/18/2007 7:54:15 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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“which is simply broad money,”

That’s what I need. Broad money. Enough to get several broads. And cars, for the broads.


3 posted on 12/18/2007 7:56:26 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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Actually, they can readily ensure that tons is created by just creating it themselves directly. What they can't do is directly stop banks from making tons of it, if said banks have a hankering to do so. They can influence this indirectly, though, and very strongly. (If the Fed set short rates at 20%, then...)
4 posted on 12/18/2007 7:58:14 PM PST by JasonC
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And MZM grew 25.5% , or 5.85% per year on average, and by $1.64 trillion overall.
5 posted on 12/18/2007 8:02:42 PM PST by JasonC
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They can influence this indirectly, though, and very strongly. (If the Fed set short rates at 20%, then...)

Or, they could set reserve requirements at 20%...

6 posted on 12/18/2007 8:10:05 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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Hmmmmm....M1 only grew about 5% over the LAST 4 YEARS!!!

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M3! M3! M3!

7 posted on 12/18/2007 8:18:44 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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Well, the money came from investors, right? I don’t see the big deal. Also, HSBC and Citi have brought SIV’s worth several billion dollars onto their balance sheets. I wonder how that will affect the credit markets.


8 posted on 12/18/2007 8:21:41 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Here's an interesting chart of the money supply over at wiki. It seems M1 has been declining in influence for over 40 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Components_of_the_United_States_money_supply.svg

9 posted on 12/18/2007 8:42:11 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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http://www.treasurydirect.gov/news/pressroom/pressroom_reducedpurchaselimit.htm

Annual Purchase Limit For Savings Bonds Set at $5,000

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

December 3, 2007

The annual limitation on purchases of United States Savings Bonds will be set at $5,000 per Social Security Number, effective January 1, 2008. The limit applies separately to Series EE and Series I savings bonds, and separately to bonds issued in paper or electronic form

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The reduction from the $30,000 annual limit in effect for both series since 2003 was made to refocus the savings bond program on its original purpose of making these non-marketable Treasury securities available to individuals with relatively small sums to invest.

Is the government closing the doors to head off bank runs?

Citibank and other money center banks have imposed limits on customers abilities to use free IIS (inter-institutional) wire transfers of more than $2,500 per month for overnight wires, and no more than $10,000 per month for 3-day wires.

American Express has an "Order limit: There is a maximum order size of $1000.00 that can be purchased within a 14-day period. "

https://www210.americanexpress.com/BOLWeb/bolfeOrder.do?request_type=orderProduct&promotion=AMEX&program=TC00000201&selleracctnbr=2539481999I Hmmm very interesting indeed...

10 posted on 12/18/2007 9:03:29 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing"only a thin dollar, babies free)
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Is that a real account number in that URL?


11 posted on 12/18/2007 9:10:52 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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No :)


12 posted on 12/18/2007 9:12:01 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing"only a thin dollar, babies free)
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M3 doesn’t matter, or so I’ve been told.

/s


13 posted on 12/18/2007 9:37:57 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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The doors started closing after 9/11 already, Its also difficult now to setup an international phone/wire Xfer account. Also “off shore” accounts are eliminated. Even Switzerland obeys, The US has a huge influence worldwide in that regard, most people don’t believe it.


14 posted on 12/18/2007 9:43:46 PM PST by modican
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difficult now to setup an international phone/wire Xfer account.

It's more difficult in a few ways, and so much easier in most ways.  There may be a few more regs from the gov't in the way but it's the private sector that actually does the work.  Back in '75 I tried to xfer $14k from New York to the US Canal Zone, and the CitiBank lost the money and it took them a month.  These days I can go online and move that kind of money from the US to Lesotho if I want --3 or 4 days tops.

OK, these days the fees are higher ($40), but I used to have to pay that much for all the telephone calls and telex's to make the idiot bankers pay attention.

15 posted on 12/19/2007 3:49:47 AM PST by expat_panama
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Thanks Todd, this is quite a thesis.

A while back we were looking at the $20 billion China pours into bank US deposits every month thats supporting the US/China current account deficit; it makes sense that while some foreign money goes into T-bills, the bulk would go into high paying (though also high risk) mortgages.

16 posted on 12/19/2007 4:03:37 AM PST by expat_panama
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The Fed can't save its member banks by inflating this debt away it is gargantuan what will that do to the dollar ?

Write the bad debt off now !

17 posted on 12/19/2007 4:30:38 AM PST by Vet_6780
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American Express has an "Order limit: There is a maximum order size of $1000.00 that can be purchased within a 14-day period. "

American Express won't sell more than $1,000 worth of euros or yen in the U.S.?

That's a pretty sad statement. According to their website, it's to "prevent fraud."

I don't think that selling yen at the high markup that they used to charge was a great business, but refusing to sell reasonable amounts of yen strikes me as downright silly.

18 posted on 12/19/2007 4:56:44 AM PST by snowsislander
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"...it is gargantuan what will that do to the dollar ?   Write the bad debt off..."

Sounds like this latest "crisis" from our lib press has got you all upset.  Time for a little perspective. 

It's true that foreclosures and credit delinquencies are up.  The reason is not that we're bad off.  The reason is that we've been so well off that the only change possible was for us to be like we were a couple years ago.

Bank loans in general are as good as they were a couple years ago.   Real estate loans are not quite as good because of rising interest rates, but those "gargantuan" loan failures are no worse than they were during the Clinton economic paradise that the lib press was so crazy about.

I'm telling you; the press is lying and we're OK.

19 posted on 12/19/2007 5:01:04 AM PST by expat_panama
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M3 doesn’t matter, or so I’ve been told.

Considering that for the past twenty years the Fed has used interest rates to spearhead monetary policy rather than the money supply, I'd have to agree with you..... /no sarcasm.

20 posted on 12/19/2007 6:22:03 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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