Posted on 12/18/2007 5:29:12 AM PST by Sopater
>>according to his interview this morning on FOX news, Christians and Patriots cause Fascism.”
That is NOT what he said. See...that’s what I’m talking about. There are those who attempt to form a mans character by taking quotes out of context.
That is so intellectually dishonest.
I wasn't addressing Paul directly or defending him. I was addressing another poster's comment and then you came in to "correct"; me.
Many times here I have read that atheism in communist countries led to the deaths of tens of millions last century.
If you agree then it would also apply to what ccame out of Christian countries. All your comment proves is there has been a lot of pain and suffering emanating from Christian countries. If you don't agree, then you are consistent.
That says absolutely nothing. All modern philosophies of government - fascism, communism, democracy, anarchism, libertarianism - "arose out of Christian cultures."
The entire modern world "arose out of Christian cultures"... which is not the point Paul was making or you are attempting to defend. The Paulestinian point is that there is something uniquely found in Christianity and Patriotism that leads specifically to Fascism - which is the same point/lie made by the Left.
Unlike non-Christian countries? Like Mao in China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Dafur, Ruanda, Somalia...and on and on. All your comments prove is that you have a lot to learn about world history before you'll stop following the likes of Ron Paul.
Unlike non-Christian countries? Like Mao in China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Dafur, Ruanda, Somalia...and on and on. And to say "fascism arose out of Christian cultures" and not "fascism, democracy, libertarianism etc. arose out of Christian cultures" is to play the Leftist card of blaming all that is wrong with the world on Christianity and the West. All your comments prove is that you have a lot to learn about world history before you'll stop following the likes of Ron Paul.
Next thing Ron Paul and you'll be claiming is slavery arose out of Christian cultures!
No he wasn't.
He was commenting on religious symbolism in political ads in general.
Family(Emphasis added)
The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.
We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.
We recognize that parents have the fundamental right and responsibility to nurture, educate, and discipline their children. We oppose the assumption of any of these responsibilities by any governmental agency without the express delegation of the parents or legal due process. We affirm the value of the father and the mother in the home, and we oppose efforts to legalize adoption of children by homosexual singles or couples.
We affirm both the authority and duty of Congress to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court in all cases of state sodomy laws in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2.
That wasn't his point at all.
I can understand not liking the man. I can understand not supporting the man. I can understand actively opposing the man.
What I can't understand are the constant strawmen erected about Paul as if the strawmen were anywhere near accurate representations of his words or his stands.
If fascism were to come to America, a still nominally christian nation, how do you think it would try to camouflage itself? Fascism will attempt to come in disguised as something we are all comfortable with: christianity and patriotism.
I can see why he's a fellow traveler of the America's enemies at home and abroad, when he so reliably throws out their propaganda points.
Fascism arises out of secular socialism and nationalism. Paul mouthing Lewis's version of it an old Leftist canard is more revealing of the thoughts of Paul than some on FR have the courage to admit. THe mutual admiration between Paul and Kucinich is something they dare not explore let alone explain.
When the colonies won independence from England, they choose not to adopt the government sanctioned marriage England had decreed in 1763, and to leave marriage to individuals and churches. It took well over a century for the social conservatives to bring government sanctioned marriage into the USA.
"I strongly believe in the time-honored principle of marriage being a union between one man and one woman, the foundation of any civilized society," Mr. Thompson said. "I will appoint judges who apply the law, not make it up from the bench. We should not be held subject to judicially created social policy, and I will use the bully pulpit of the presidency to defend the institution of marriage."
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Well said, Fred!
I am not very familiar with the CP. I just asked what did that have to do with the constitution. What would have to amended to allow it to happen. Does the constitution prohibit gay marriage. I thought this was s state issue.
I don't think we were being particularly Christian in 1848 in Mexico, in 1898, and all during the Indian Wars.
My conclusion from all this is that there's nothing particular about atheism or Christianity that causes or prohibits war. They both have similar history.
I know you'll come back, so I have additional examples.
The question is if “fascism comes wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” Examples of a ubiquitous human activity - WAR - do not address that question.
It’s all about the dope.
You need to talk to someone else. I started on this track by addressing another poster. You’re on a point I’m not addressing.
.........where Christianity led to Fascism. {?}As if it was their "Christianity led to Fascism"... AND NOW I'LL "talk to someone else."
I know for a fact that both German & Italian Fascist states were definitely anti-christian."Two different timing situations. Weren't Germany and Italy Christian states just before going into fascism? Was there a time from 400-1976 when Italy was not Catholic with the church reviewing laws and Catholic teachings codified in civil law?"
I always thought the constitution was silent and that it was a state issue. I guess there isn’t anything they won’t pass a law about.
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