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Democrats Worry About Romney, Huckabee
Newsmax ^ | December 13, 2007 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 12/17/2007 1:17:18 AM PST by Tlaloc

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To: Lancey Howard
Gotta love Michael Reagan, but he's off base here. (Also, I didn't see Fred mentioned in this piece at all.) If Michael wants to look at the odds..

I know. And speaking of just plain old odd, what's odd is that Thompson is perhaps the candidate most like Michael's dad.

21 posted on 12/17/2007 3:47:58 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Lancey Howard

I agree. Surface analysis like “Americans vote for governors” sounds to me like the sports statistics the color commentator is always spouting ad nauseam during the game: “When so and so gets 100 yards rushing, his team wins 97.65% of the time!” And then so and so gets 110 yards rushing, and his team loses.

In 2000 we heard constantly that the taller candidate wins. The shorter candidate won. Then we heard the same thing in 2004, until the shorter candidate won again.

It’s the same thing with the governors beat senators line. It’s true, until it isn’t, and then they’ll come up with a new irrelevant statistic. As always it depends on the particular circumstances of the race, which Reagan is forgetting.

“Governors usually win,” except in the postwar era, of the 9 presidents elected to office (Eisenhower to Bush 43, not counting Ford) only 4 (Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43) were governors.


22 posted on 12/17/2007 4:23:36 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“the Republican base WILL NOT vote for this liberal fraud in the general election. Ditto Romney and Rudy.”

Mark me as part of that BASE!


23 posted on 12/17/2007 4:26:05 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: tompster76
No, Thompson was out of the Senate when this amnesty crap came up. cfr is all you got... well you have a weak hand and a weaker and more LIBERAL candidate. Rush says Fred is the only TRUE CONSERVATIVE in the top tier... and then we have you and the “Lying huckabees”!

LLS

24 posted on 12/17/2007 4:28:27 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Of course they want Huckster to run against. A substantial chunk of the Republican base WILL NOT vote for this liberal fraud in the general election. Ditto Romney and Rudy.

Indeed. Michael Reagan is usually as sharp as a tack. So much of what he says here is also true i.e. governors and senators and so on.

The thing of it is, is some governors running for president on the Republican side would cause so many voters to stay home that you would end up with, not only a Democrat slam dunk for the White House, but 435 Democrats in the House of Representatives as well.

I refuse to believe that Reagan doesn't see that.

25 posted on 12/17/2007 4:30:35 AM PST by stevem
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To: Tlaloc
"They do it by attaching great importance to a host of factors that are really meaningless, not the least of which is citing national polls to indicate the front-runners, while carefully ignoring those factors which will decide the outcome"

Well, at least he got that much right.

The one huge issue he doesn't mention at all, as in so many other articles I've read/heard recently in all forms of media, is immigration. Any discussion of the current election cycle that doesn't include immigration is either ignorant (Regan is not) or they live in that alternate universe that tries to ignore it and wishes it would simply go away because there is no real compromise on it - Either you truly respect the laws of this country and the wishes of it's citizens or you do not.

Engaging in flowery rhetoric about the "noble" illegals or ignoring them completely and hoping people will follow the journalists/commentators cause du jour and jusI forget about them until the election is over won't work this time.

The MAIN reason I won't support Huckabee (Nor Guliani) is my perception that he will be another Bush when it comes to illegals. Huckabee is eager to pull his religious convictions into his politics, and to me that means he will sell me and my children down the river for his chance to "do the lords work" and "save" the illegals. Just because his same religious convictions on abortion work the way I like isn't enough for me to overlook his fatal flaw on illegals.

NO MORE COMPASSIONATE/HEROIC CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE LIBERALS DRESSED UP IN RELIGIOUS CLOTHING! EVER!

26 posted on 12/17/2007 4:31:26 AM PST by Carbonado
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To: tompster76

I didn’t know this about Fred. I have one person left, anybody but Hillary?

This is a poor group.


27 posted on 12/17/2007 4:34:19 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Tlaloc

My wife watches television. Occasionally I look over at the screen to see visuals of really disgusting people that were there SmelloVision, would leave the room unpleasantly odoriferous.

This election cycle resembles that analogy as the slimeball MSM manipulates the campaign to reflect the popularity of “Reality TV” programs.

Serious times are here, and serious times are in the future. We need to get serious about whom we want to represent us and lead our Nation through these seriously turbulent times.

Who IS serious?


28 posted on 12/17/2007 4:35:36 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Tlaloc

In the end Huck can shuck Hillary anyday of the week and give Obama a run for his money simply on the basis of being a governor, not a senator.

People are looking for change and consider a member of a Congress with a 22 percent popularity rating a “loser.”

My instincts say a non-Senator, Congressman is the best GOP candidate.

That’s not to say I love Huckabee, Romney or Giuliani, but they all fit the bill.


29 posted on 12/17/2007 4:51:41 AM PST by Nextrush (Uncommitted for GOP President, but not Ron Paul or John McCain.)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Fred was just on Fox. His common sense and steady approach is in contrast with the rest of the group.


30 posted on 12/17/2007 4:53:42 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Tlaloc

The Dems are playing Brer Rabbit in the briar patch when they claim they’re worried about the Huckster.


31 posted on 12/17/2007 5:05:58 AM PST by CASchack
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To: Rome2000
Do we really need another ex-senator from Tenn. running for POTUS?
32 posted on 12/17/2007 5:15:08 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Tlaloc
Democrats Conservatives Worry About Romney, Huckabee

fixed it.

33 posted on 12/17/2007 5:26:45 AM PST by Liberty2007 (I AM AWESOME , The best thing on Talk radio----Michael Savage)
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To: tompster76

While I am still undecided, I am amazed at the lack of discussion regarding Thompson and CFR. Hard to line that up with conservative thought in any manner.


34 posted on 12/17/2007 5:27:55 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Tlaloc

How do you think Huck would fare against Oprah’s Obama? AR might go Huck in that case, but I guess Obama would win with OH.


35 posted on 12/17/2007 6:05:52 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: rockinqsranch

Oprah is serious about electing Obama. I had thought she was really for HRC and was playing games, but she means to get Obama elected, and she has millions of sheeple who follow her.


36 posted on 12/17/2007 6:07:36 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Still if the Huck were up against Obama, Huck might do well, much better than against his friend HRC.


37 posted on 12/17/2007 6:08:52 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

The reason for this whole “religion” thing is so that the dems can label the GOP as religious wackos — they’re not afraid of Mr. Huckabee.


38 posted on 12/17/2007 6:12:41 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: T. P. Pole

Unlike some candidates who are attempting wholesale rewrites of their pasts, Thompson has been completely upfront in admitting his part in the legislation and has said that he is proud of parts of it, but that some parts of it were a mistake. And he has been clear on which parts are which. He hasn’t tried to lie and obfuscate, he has come right out and said he thought at the time that getting soft money out of politics was worth the rest of the bill, but in retrospect it was a mistake.

From Human Events:

“Yes,” replied the former Tennessee senator without hesitation. “You will recall that the central part of the legislation was getting rid of soft money [from the political process].” He then went on to remind me that he came from a background in the private sector and, in that sector, it would have been thought unseemly for “hundreds of thousands of dollars” to be poured in to influence someone’s decision. In the public arena, “it got to be the norm” because of the soft money, upon which there were no limits for donations to the two major political parties.” The contributors, he said, would then, “harass legislators before they vote on anything. This was not a good idea.”

Thompson went on to remind me that it was his amendment to McCain-Feingold that, “raised the hard money index” and he was also proud of that.

If there is anything in McCain-Feingold that “has not worked out,” he went to say, it is “placing limitations on ads [by independent groups] in the [political] process. Thompson hinted that he would support legislation to change this, since “the Supreme Court has better things to do with its time than hear cases on unfair limitation.” (Earlier this year, by a decision of 5-to-4, the Supreme Court struck down parts of McCain-Feingold that dealt with limiting ads by independent groups.) He also said that the landmark campaign finance legislation he held shepherd to passage (and which President Bush signed in ‘01) has created a larger bureaucracy to enforce regulations and “that part hasn’t worked out.”


39 posted on 12/17/2007 6:24:25 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: Theodore R.

I hope we don’t have to find out.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

LLS


40 posted on 12/17/2007 6:55:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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