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Global warming pact set for 2009 after US backs down (Pres Bush caves to PC crowd again)
AFP ^ | December 15, 2007

Posted on 12/15/2007 9:22:53 AM PST by TheEaglehasLanded

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To: TheEaglehasLanded
The United States, the only major industrialised nation to reject the Kyoto treaty

If Australia does not count as a major industrialized nation, then I guess the U.S. is the only major industrialized nation.

21 posted on 12/15/2007 9:43:38 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (Everything that breathes emits CO2. Anti-carbon is anti-life.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Apparently AlGore doesn’t HAVE to sit in the oval office...


22 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:11 AM PST by Libertina
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

ANd don’t even get me started on the fact that is is an AFP article. I didn’t realize that chopped up quotes and innuendo from notoriously slanted organizations were swallowed as fact on FR. You people are a propagandist’s dream. “Sheeple”, indeed.


23 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:25 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Nah I don’t see any real caving here or maybe I missed it. This really crappy article focussed on lots of emotion and then they act like finally they defeated the big bad USA enviro-monster but what the hell did they agree to do? Meet again later? Did I miss something other than a lot of anti-USA crowing about exactly what?


24 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:56 AM PST by rhombus
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Following gruelling all-night talks, the conference of 190 nations finally launched a process to negotiate a new treaty for when the UN Kyoto Protocol’s commitments expire in 2012.

Agreeing to a process for future negotiations is NOT caving in...the USA still has not endorsed Kyoto...the caving in will be by the next president(any Rat and the republicans who raise hands).
25 posted on 12/15/2007 9:46:57 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: plain talk
You would think at least one person could go to that conference and challenge the very notion of man-made global warming and the premise itself that we need to do anything at all. Where is the antidote to Al Gore? Where is this person?

Well, 100 prominent scientists (and the list includes some very distinguished people) co-signed this excellent letter published on December 12th:

Dear Mr. Secretary-General,

Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction

It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.

The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by ­government ­representatives. The great ­majority of IPCC contributors and ­reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.

Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:

  • Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.
  • The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.
  • Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.

In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg1_timetable_2006-08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.

The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.

The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.

Yours faithfully,

[ list of 100 signatories and their affiliations ]


26 posted on 12/15/2007 9:46:59 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: goldstategop

LOL...we’ll not allow any stupid group of morons dictate suicide for America...just find and watch...


27 posted on 12/15/2007 9:47:10 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: cowdog77

You are correct, Americans will foot the bill. The UN wants to tax us on carbon offsets I heard, what a bunch of bs. Grrr.


28 posted on 12/15/2007 9:49:50 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: ScaniaBoy
Any treaty will have to pass the US Senate.

You don't think there are 60 liberals in the US Senate?

29 posted on 12/15/2007 9:54:12 AM PST by JohnnyZ (victim victim Mitt victim victim Romneyvictim victim victim so persecuted, poor me!)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Bush and his Administration will cave when pressured or booed, that's been the problem since 2001. It looked like he was starting to stand up this year, but it was too good to last

That has been a big problem. Though on some subjects Bush can stand firm. And when you think about it, his tendency to cave under pressure has benefited conservatives a couple of times, too. You would think that would lead to being liked by the opposition for your waffling. Reality is, they respect you less afterward. It's like the guy who pressures his date to have sex, she caves and then he has no respect for her at all.

More and more I'm convinced that big political issues are best won by the political opposition. Find a weak one on the other team and go for it. The reason is, his own team can't fully attack him and so the battle is much more easily won because the entire opposiiton is weakened.

30 posted on 12/15/2007 9:54:47 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: L98Fiero
Agree 100%. By the way the “freepers” who fall for the media crap are the same “freepers” who accuse the American people of being a “sheeple” and brainwashed by the media. In fact the majority of the American voters have much less trust in the media than these “freepers”.
31 posted on 12/15/2007 9:56:45 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: JohnnyZ
You don't think there are 60 liberals in the US Senate?

Never! (Ok....../sarc).

However, the Senators will have to explain the rising costs of living etc etc to their voters. Nothing to concentrate ones mind like risking losing ones seat.

32 posted on 12/15/2007 9:59:47 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: L98Fiero

Well, at least someone read the article.


33 posted on 12/15/2007 10:01:03 AM PST by saganite
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To: JohnnyZ
If one of the Democrats or Rudy, Romney, Huckabee, or McCain is elected President, we'll have a global suicide pact in no time.

I agree that there is a risk of that, but remember that in the late nineties the Senate voted down Kyoto 97-0 or something close to that. Right now, it has been politicized as a Bush attack. The reality is that politicians may not want their record to be based on their vote to collapse the US economy.

34 posted on 12/15/2007 10:08:12 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Lancey Howard

The President has been acknowledging “global warming” for about 2 years now.


35 posted on 12/15/2007 10:10:33 AM PST by DemEater
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To: L98Fiero

Amen!


36 posted on 12/15/2007 10:12:07 AM PST by marlon
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To: DemEater

True and disappointing. That and the court ruling which allows the EPA to treat C02 as a pollutant - what a crock!


37 posted on 12/15/2007 10:16:54 AM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
It looks a version of the "action plan" that we have agreed to is up on the U.N.'s Bali conference website (although I am not clear if it is the final version of the what they are terming the "roadmap") at Bali Action Plan.

Here's a finding that we agreed to that I found interesting:

Recognizing that deep cuts in global emissions will be required to achieve the ultimate objective of the Convention and emphasizing the urgency to address climate change as indicated in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,

Since the IPCC reporting process has been criticized by some very distinguished scientists, (for instance, see my posting #26 in this thread), I wish that we had not agreed to that particular sentence since it is in all likelihood untrue.

Also, it appears that we have agreed to some sort of permanent fund (the "Adaptation Fund") which is to be financed by the sale of carbon credits:

24. Decides that a trust fund shall be established under the management of the trustee, to be funded by the monetized share of proceeds of certified emission reductions, to meet the costs of adaptation and other sources of funding;

38 posted on 12/15/2007 10:19:06 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: L98Fiero

If they had read the article, they would have noticed that a contributing source has no credibility since he just a profession wrestler:

“Hans Verolme of conservation group WWF”

Since when does McMahon’s crowd know anything about climate change?

sarcasm/off


39 posted on 12/15/2007 10:20:39 AM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Since it is a “treaty” teh Senate will need 67 liberals

Although there are probably enough liberals and fools to find the 67

Clinton never even tried to submit Kyoto to a vote because the Senate at that time would have killed it.

But w the Globalist Whoring nonsense....they probably would pass Bali...or even worse....implement its provisions thru Executive Order


40 posted on 12/15/2007 10:22:54 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Mike Huckabee values illegals, criminals, and terrorists...Thanks "Values Voters")
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