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Penn Prof: “Speak English” Sign Like Jim Crow Era(Geno's Steaks, Philadelphia)
philly.com ^ | Dec. 14, 2007 | Michael Matza

Posted on 12/15/2007 6:28:56 AM PST by kellynla

A hearing was expected to continue into the evening on whether Geno's Steaks owner Joey Vento discriminated against non-English speaking patrons by posting an "Speak English" sign at his South Philadelphia shop. The Rev. James Allen, the chairperson of Commision on Human Relations, was the first witness to testify late this afternoon, followed by University of Pennsylvania professor Camille Charles.

Charles, a professor of sociology, said the number of foreign-born residents living in the South Philadelphia neighborhood near Geno's grew more than 200 percent between 1980 and 2000.

When shown historical signs from the Jim Crow era in the South that read "Whites Only," Charles said Vento's "Speak English" sign had the same impact on patrons.

More witnesses were expected to be called before the commision today and Rev. Allen, the chairman, vowed the hearing will not end until everyone has been heard.

Today's hearing is the result complaints in June 2006 about a sign Vento put in his steak-shop window saying, "This is America, when ordering, please 'speak English.' "

The notice soon generated national media attention, prompting a recent visit by Rudy Giuliani.

Before the testimony began today Vento's attorneys argued about the fairness of the hearing itself.

The attorneys for Vento charged that the proceedings were unfair for two reasons and asked that the case be thrown out. First, the attorneys said, the allegations were brought by the Rev. James S. Allen Sr., chairperson of Commission on Human Relations, the city agency adjudicating the case.

Second, the defense first learned of several commission witnesses, set to testify today, less than an hour before the hearing began at about 1:30 p.m. at the Quaker meeting house near Third and Arch Streets.

Defense attorneys, however, were required to submit their pretrial briefs and witness lists well in advance.

After Vento's attorneys asked for the case to be dismissed "without prejudice," the panel of commissioners recessed to consider their next step and then returned to continue the hearing.

More than 100 people attended, watching the proceedings in the unadorned 1804 structure, with its wooden floors and wooden pews.

Statements by either side were met with muttering or grumbling by the spectators.

Outside, one man held a "Hail Geno" sign bearing an American flag. A group wore black T-shirts with a message that Pennsylvania loves immigrants, the word loves symbolized by a heart.

Making most of the arguments for Vento's team was Shannon Goessling of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, based in Atlanta.

Leading the prosecution was commission counsel Paul M. Hummer, a partner in the law firm Saul Ewing.

The Philadelphia Commission on Human Relations decided to charge that Vento discriminated against non-English speakers.

The commission alleges that Vento's sign violates the section of the city's Fair Practices Ordinance that prohibits the owner of a public accommodation from putting up a sign aimed at "any specific group" to make its members feel discriminated against or unwelcome.

Below the Geno's sign was another that stated, "Management reserves the right to refuse service."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: academia; aliens; business; cheesesteaks; english; genos; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; philly
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To: kellynla

I think college professors are the hawg-stupidest people in the world.

Can anyone explain how a person who doesn’t speak (and read) English could possibly be offended (excluded, discriminated, etc.) by a sign IN ENGLISH?


61 posted on 12/15/2007 8:58:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: kellynla
"The attorneys for Vento charged that the proceedings were unfair for two reasons and asked that the case be thrown out. First, the attorneys said, the allegations were brought by the Rev. James S. Allen Sr., chairperson of Commission on Human Relations, the city agency adjudicating the case."

Judge, Jury and Executioner!

62 posted on 12/15/2007 9:09:44 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: kellynla
Leave it to an ivory-tower intellectual to champion Babel
63 posted on 12/15/2007 9:11:26 AM PST by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: The Electrician

I was watching a program on Jim Jones of the Jonestown cult and I found it very interesting that he was appointed to San Francisco’s Housing Authority Commission by the liberal city administration.

I suspect these so called commissions is as fair as a Stalin show trial.


64 posted on 12/15/2007 9:52:13 AM PST by Swiss
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To: Tribune7
I hope some Hispanic kid sues Penn and this prof for making him write his papers in English.

The commission alleges that Vento's sign violates the section of the city's Fair Practices Ordinance that prohibits the owner of a public accommodation from putting up a sign aimed at "any specific group" to make its members feel discriminated against or unwelcome.

Can we locate an Asian Indian -- and sue all of the Philly Steak Houses for serving God on a platter ?!!?!!?!!

65 posted on 12/15/2007 10:00:00 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: kellynla

To the moron professor - race is immutable, one’s spoken language is not. Remove your head from your better side.


66 posted on 12/15/2007 10:30:28 AM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: kellynla

Where is our free speech to have the sign “Speak English”.


67 posted on 12/15/2007 12:31:39 PM PST by Wiz
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To: BallyBill

Of course liberals have the right to make war on anyone who threatens their comfort level. Liberals reserve the right to determine speech and behavior. Liberals have now bestowed the right of anyone to demand service in a private business using their chosen language. Conservatives deserve scorn, ridicule, loss of property rights, and banishment from public discourse for interfering with liberal bestowed rights.


68 posted on 12/15/2007 12:35:21 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: purpleraine

“what is a chalupa anyway?”

I had occasion once to be looking thru a dictionary of Spanish slang and came upon at least one thing on the Taco Bell menu. I’m not sure which item it was, but it translated into “little p*nis.”

Imagine asking for that in a restaurante in Mexico City...


69 posted on 12/15/2007 12:44:11 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: kellynla
From what I can gather, Charles isn't representative of most African-Americans. She does a lot of work with immigrant Blacks, so her view diverges from that of Black people who were born here. But then, she's probably not representative of most African or Caribbean Blacks in the US either, since most of them speak English.

It's kind of a stupid controversy, a way of piggybacking pro-immigration attitudes onto the civil rights movement of the 1960s. But say they win. Does that mean that signs in Spanish will be regarded as unwelcoming, hostile, and unfairly intimidating to non-Hispanics?

It's also stupid in that I doubt these lawyers and academics spend much time in the sub shop. Probably they don't know how things actually are in the neighborhood. For all we know, most of Geno's customers may be Hispanics by now.

70 posted on 12/15/2007 12:45:48 PM PST by x
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To: Tax-chick

I resemble that! I be one of them!


71 posted on 12/15/2007 12:47:34 PM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: ontap
If I am ever in Philly I will certainly patronize this establishment. My kind of guy.

It's a Philadelphia institution, at 9th St & Passyunk Avenue, at the south end of the Italian Market (which is also known simply as "9th Street").

72 posted on 12/15/2007 1:12:45 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Whatever enables us to go to war, secures our peace." —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
what is a wiz wit?

It means you want Cheez Whiz instead of American cheese or provolone on your steak sandwich — with ("wit") onions.

73 posted on 12/15/2007 1:28:14 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Whatever enables us to go to war, secures our peace." —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: x
For all we know, most of Geno's customers may be Hispanics by now.

No way, Jose. It's in an Italian-American working class community. There are others, but the core is either Italian-American, or it's people who appreciate Philadelphia's Italian Market culture that has been operating in that location for over a century.

74 posted on 12/15/2007 1:32:10 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Whatever enables us to go to war, secures our peace." —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: purpleraine

“what is a chalupa anyway?”

It’s not that thing they serve at TB.


75 posted on 12/15/2007 1:35:36 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: econjack

There are always exceptions, of course :-).


76 posted on 12/15/2007 1:47:39 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: kellynla
As predicted, assimilation is now equated with racism.

Just remember...invasion is a civil right, and it would be racist to resist.

77 posted on 12/15/2007 1:55:27 PM PST by Regulator
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To: kellynla
.....a few weeks ago a waitress at a local coffee and eggs place I visit weekly say’s to me..”see those guys over there”..I say yeah...she say’s..”the one guy say’s to me do you speak spanish?” The waitress told him no. The guy say’s to her..you should learn spanish
She told him “you should go to a spanish restaurant, if you want to order in spanish”..
The guy then translates for his three buddies.....they ate and left. I said to her...are they new customers?. She said “nah, they’ve been in before”. I said does the same guy always translate for them?...she say’s “yeah, I know their order by heart, they always get the same thing”
Now you got to picture the waitress...older grandma type,hair in a bun,glasses with safety string so they don’t fall off her face, about 5’3”...I say to her as she drops off my check..”ya gonna learn spanish?”. She say’s “honey, ya got a better chance of hearing me speak martian”
Like I said, I visit weekly
78 posted on 12/15/2007 3:15:40 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: mowowie
The guy is probably sick and tired of making the wrong subs for these....

..your right, I've seen Geno in many interviews...that and the fact that Geno's is a very very busy place, usually three deep at the counter around lunch time

79 posted on 12/15/2007 3:35:38 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: purpleraine

How do you say Philly cheesesteak in Spanish?...wit’ Whiz.


80 posted on 12/16/2007 4:47:39 AM PST by Safetgiver (So simple, even a Muslim can do it.)
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