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And this is probably not due to just one new hotspot somewhere under the Greenland ice sheet.
1 posted on 12/14/2007 8:46:15 AM PST by cogitator
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Cogitator,

I know you concern about global warming is sincere and I appreciate the articles you post.

I want to make up my own mind about these issues so I looked at the researcher’s (Steffen) website for more information. He has lots of data on Greenland ice melt but nothing on the total ice volume. Surely he is collecting this information for all of Greenland —the posted article even mentions ice thickening in central Greenland. Why does he never give the total mass balance? Is it increasing or decreasing? Is he afraid his funding will go away if he states the facts? Or his he just dishonest?

The whole global warming movement has a stench to it because its proponents don’t want to deal with the whole truth. Articles like this make me more skeptical, not less.

57 posted on 12/14/2007 9:37:45 AM PST by BigBobber
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The arctic ice cap melted at an unprecedented rate in mid-2007, losing an area of ice the size of the state of Alaska, US scientists said at a conference this week.

"The average rate of loss of sea ice every summer year to year up to 2006 was equal to an area the size of West Virginia," or about 62,800 square kilometers (24,250 square miles), said Michael Steele, the senior oceanographer at the University of Washington in Seattle.

However the decrease in ice between 2006 and 2007 "was almost equivalent to the area of Alaska," or some 1.7 million kilometers (more than 663,000 square miles), Steele told AFP in a telephone interview.

"It was a huge retreat," said Steele, one of the researchers who discussed the subject at the annual American Geophysical Union (AGU) conference in San Francisco, California.

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As ice thins, so does Canada's polar bear population

The polar bear diverged from the brown bear roughly 200 thousand years ago. The oldest known polar bear fossil is less than 100 thousand years old. Fossils show that between 10 and 20 thousand years ago the polar bear's molar teeth changed significantly from those of the brown bear.

However, more recent genetic studies have shown that some clades of Brown Bear are more closely related to polar bears than to other brown bears, meaning that the polar bear is not a true species according to some species concepts. In addition, polar bears can breed with brown bears to produce fertile grizzly–polar bear hybrids, indicating that they have only recently diverged and are not yet truly distinct species. But neither species can survive long in the other's niche, and with distinctly different morphology, metabolism, social and feeding behaviors, and other phenotypic characters, the two bears are generally classified as separate species.

Sounds to me like when the ice returns, so will the polar bears.

62 posted on 12/14/2007 9:49:22 AM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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I’ll have my Greenland Melt with extra cheese, thank you.


69 posted on 12/14/2007 10:16:52 AM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1649875/posts

Arctic dips as global waters rise ~ water level in the Artic decreasing...Global Cooling?

Should of known the High Priests of the Church of Global Warming would be rushing into print with yet another fraudulent hysteria filled story in a desperate attempt to refute this data.

71 posted on 12/14/2007 10:22:27 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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Statistically, this report should be viewed as a reversion to the norm. The norm is established by Lief Erickerson and Eric the red who colonized this Greenland.

The short term view of disaster incorrectly assumes a non existant cold norm.


73 posted on 12/14/2007 10:26:30 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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Ice is increasing at record pace at this time. When will these liars quit lying?!

LLS


74 posted on 12/14/2007 10:29:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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ok, now go to this post,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927324/posts

and watch the youtube postings parts 1 through 4

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

etc Part 2, Part 3, Part 4

and tell me: the man is lying, more importantly,

PROVE HE IS LYING

because if he isn’t , we are headed for an ice age

that to me will be much worse than a ‘warm age’ (toast age?)


75 posted on 12/14/2007 10:44:50 AM PST by jbp1 (be nice now)
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Or maybe the High Priests needed to feed their stooges in the Junk media some story to give them and excuse to ignore this one.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1939543/posts

Over 100 Prominent Scientists Warn UN Against ‘Futile’ Climate Control Efforts

76 posted on 12/14/2007 10:50:07 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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Considering that Greenland had no ice over much of the SE and SW portions just 600 years ago, this isn't surprising.

Why do they think its called Greenland?

79 posted on 12/14/2007 12:16:27 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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Call me when it’s warm enough to start vinyards in Greenland.....again...you know, like the last time the V-8 engines warmed up that island sufficient to produce a great wine.


87 posted on 12/14/2007 2:00:37 PM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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~~AGW ™ ping~~
100 posted on 01/01/2008 6:30:26 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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