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Somebody remind me why we refuse to believe the earth’s temperature is rising.


44 posted on 12/13/2007 4:43:17 PM PST by nevs911
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To: nevs911
remind me why we refuse to believe the earth’s temperature is rising

Here in Alaska we had a record cold April this year. It was really something and delayed summer considerably but we had a good summer for gardens. The summer before there was no garden summer at all. Right now we expect below zero this weekend, which is entirely normal. In fact it has been entirely normal for the years I have been here except that February it was 40 below the first day of the month and that was the warmest the entire month. That could happen any winter but zero to five below is more typical for the 6-9 months of winter. If there was a warming trend it was 15 years ago, about the same time as that February, and is over.

53 posted on 12/13/2007 4:52:03 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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I don't think its so much refusing to believe that its warming. It's more refusing to believe the need for hysterics that the MSM, left, and sheeple rant about.

The entire global warming/climate change is being promalgated as man made and having catastrophic effects so far and will only get worse.

WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!

The science is sketchy at best, and yet is being touted as fact.

The believers claim that the results have been verified by ALL reputable scientists, and only unreputable scientists state otherwise. Thereby trying to stifle and opposition.

The believers are raving about a supposed 1 degree rise in temperature over the last 100 years.

The believers claim the snows on Kilimanjaro are melting. See previous point.

The believers claim the polar ice caps are shrinking. A 1 degree temperature rise over 100 years won't have any effect on snow, when the average ambient temperature is -20. How does snow and ice melt when temperatures are below freezing? Its called radiant heat. Radiant heat is caused by that big yellow thingy thing in the sky.

The Gorebull warming alarmists never accept or acknowledge the fact that the sun has been in a high sunspot cycle for the last 10 years or so. (Which would account for higher radiant heat)

When temperatures rise on Mars and Pluto and Europa. (even Uranus is warmer:) ) Something would indicate a similar thing is happening throughout the solar system. (SUV's in US cause warming on Pluto?)

The above article states warmest temperatures "on record". Leading some to believe these are the warmest temperatures ever, when in reality, if the temps ARE accurate, they are only for the last 150 years, when record keeping began. (Not to mention that the record keeping of 20 years ago, worldwide, are not of the same calibur that they are today. And that the records of 50 years ago are not as good as 20. And the same of 150 vs 50. Plus the records of the ENTIRE world are not and have not been up to either the US or other 1st world nations. And yet alarmists promote their "statistics" with surety that ALL records are of equal standing)

When scientists know that temperatures were warmer than they are currently, during the middle ages (When grapes were grown in England, and Greenland was actually green). And yet articles such as the one posted "imply" that current temperatures are the warmest (on record).

When alarmists point to every single "abnormality" and shriek global warming.

When "facts" are represented for global warming, but other "theories" are ignored or omitted that counter global warming, some would call this lying (but not Bill Clinton),. Lying by ommission.

When this seems to be the mode of operation, one must wonder what the agenda is.

When the anti US-UN, waits 6 months to finally announce the outcome of a UN study on climate change, (Why wait 6 months to present the details? Unless of course you want to "arrange" the details to support your predetermined conclusion) And those details say that global warming is man made, and that the US is the single most leading cause of GW. And that the hardest hit nations will be the poor nations of the world. And that the wealthy nations (read United States) should pay (the UN) to relieve the plight of the poor caused by global warming (caused by the US).

Yet the UN has been riddled with all types of scams and improprieties. The UN more than ressembles the huckster televangalist saying "If money is your problem, send me your problem".

80 posted on 12/13/2007 6:44:05 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: nevs911

Someone from Oklahoma might clue you in...


83 posted on 12/13/2007 6:57:17 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: nevs911

Ah, because it isn’t?


87 posted on 12/13/2007 7:50:58 PM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: nevs911
“Somebody remind me why we refuse to believe the earth’s temperature is rising.”

I don’t know. I think that’s a little strange. I have no idea if there is anything to “global warming” or not. I’m not a climate scientist. It bugs me though that if you are conservative you are supposed to believe that global warming is a hoax and if you are a liberal you are supposed to believe it is the greatest threat to our existence. There appears to be some pretty good evidence that the average temperature is rising some. Whether that is in any way caused by “greenhouse gases” we’re producing or not is another matter. Maybe so, maybe not, but people surely are opinionated about it. They’ll go to web pages where they can find all the “conservative talking points,” or if the are on the other side they’ll get the “liberal talking points,” Google up all the respective propaganda they can find and argue all day long. The fact is that most of us only know what we think we are supposed to know, the arguments from our side, our party line. Personally I think it’s dangerous for us to get so entrenched in our beliefs on theoretical scientific issues like this. I’m going to keep an open mind on global warming.

104 posted on 12/13/2007 9:54:02 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: nevs911
Somebody remind me why we refuse to believe the earth’s temperature is rising.

It appears that whether or not it is occurring depends upon your start and end dates, and where you measure against what. At least through late August of 2007, the GISS repairs to their U.S. data suggest that the 1930s average was slightly warmer than the 1990s and trivially cooler than the incomplete 2000s; 1931-1935, compared to 2001-2005 (by almost .1C), is warmer; 1930-1934 were warmer than 2000-2004; that the warming trend from the 1910s to the 1930s was about twice as steep as for the time from the 80s to 2000s; that the 1930s were consistantly warm; and that the annual variation dwarfs the centries worth of warming one year, and completely bleeds off a centuries worth of warming the next.

So...from 1630 to now, it has warmed. from 1901 to now it has warmed. from 1930s to now it has cooled. from 1953 to 2003 it has cooled. from 1970 to now it has warmed. from 1998 to now it has cooled. From 1900 to 2000 it has remained the same (miniscule cooling of -.05C).

108 posted on 12/13/2007 10:18:00 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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