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As a supporter of Governor Huckabee, I wouldn’t mind seeing criticisms of the actual substance of the speech. Does anyone here have any?


7 posted on 12/12/2007 11:56:08 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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What exactly makes you support Huckabee? Which policies?


10 posted on 12/13/2007 12:03:41 AM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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” Does anyone here have any? “

yes, he’s a phony...


13 posted on 12/13/2007 12:07:52 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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Pavlov dog’s are not trained to read, they are trained to bark when they hear the word “Huckabee”.

I thought he made some excellent points, especially this paragraph.

“The Administration has never done an adequate job explaining the theology and ideology behind Islamic terror, never done an adequate job of convincing us of their ruthless fanaticism. The first rule of war is “Know your enemy,” and most Americans don’t. To grasp the magnitude of the threat, we first have to understand what makes Islamic terrorists – and their suicide bombs – tick, and the Administration has not explained it well. Very few Americans are familiar with the writings of Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian radical executed in 1966, and the Muslim Brotherhood, whose call to active jihad, influenced bin Laden and the rise of Al Qaeda. Qutb is to bin Laden as Karl Marx is to Lenin. Qutb raged against the decadence and sin he saw around him and sought to restore what he considered the “pure” Islam of the seventh century. Besides opposing non-Muslims, besides opposing Shiites, he was a Sunni who opposed Sunni governments because he believed they required their citizens to worship them like “gods,” and so were guilty of a polytheism forbidden by Islam. To him, the only answer was a return to a theocratic caliphate without national borders, and he saw nothing decadent or sinful in murder to achieve that end. Americans, who go to extreme lengths to save lives, can’t comprehend human beings who delight in taking lives, it just doesn’t compute. In our culture, the death of a child is about the worst trial a person can endure, while parents of suicide bombers feel joy, not grief. We believe that every individual has intrinsic worth and value. This culture of life is a cornerstone of our society, illuminated by the conflict with the Islamic jihadists and their culture of death.


14 posted on 12/13/2007 12:09:00 AM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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Mike’s speech took a lot of words to say, “I will follow President Bush’s lead and continue his policies, except I will consult with other countries.”


15 posted on 12/13/2007 12:11:24 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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It’s so bad it’s not even a foreign policy speech.
It’s a trite mix of mumbo jumbo and warmed over conventional wisdom and political correctness. I can’t even tell the difference between this and a trite Obama speech, frankly. .. or Jimmy Carter.

And his speech is chock full of this nonsense:
“We have to understand that while educated Muslims in Europe may not be materially deprived, many of them feel socially and emotionally deprived by a lack of acceptance.”

Jimmy Carteresque BS. It’s their own ideology not the level of acceptance that drives their isolation. Typical Liberal pap.

““My goal in the Muslim world is to correctly calibrate a course between maintaining stability and promoting democracy.”

So the blood we shed pursuing Bush’s bold strategy to reformulate how we approach the MidEast will be squandered by a vacillating policy... Egads. And nothing at all serious about how to build up Iraq, win there, and move on to win the GWOT.

Awful. Awful Awful. How is it that every day I find yet more depressingly awful things about the awful Mike Huckabee.
I had already two days ago decided he was worse than Ron Paul. ... Now, he is decisively and definitely worse.

He may even be worse (gasp) than Hillary on foreign policy. She apparently will manage to have more balls than he will... Damn shame the “So Con” slot is being wasted on such a worthless contender!!!


16 posted on 12/13/2007 12:15:09 AM PST by WOSG
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On the one hand:
We need to assure Pakistan that we will be with them for the long haul.
On the other hand:
“We have no desire whatsoever to ‘invade’ Pakistan, fight its forces, or harm its citizens. But we have an urgent need to pursue non-Pakistani terrorists who have declared war on us into this no man’s land. I greatly prefer to do it with Pakistan’s blessing and cooperation, but, one way or another, it has to get done. If we have to step onto their soil briefly to protect our own, so be it. As a child sometimes goes into a neighbor’s yard to collect a baseball hit over the fence, so we may be forced to go over the fence.
It's going to be hard to convince the Pakistanis of the first given the second. They aren't going to accept his baseball analogy. They're going to claim we were playing cricket in their yard and say that's not cricket! If only they didn't have nukes we could lean hard on them, but they do have nukes. The problem this is causing us there is the proof that we should be willing to do dang near anything to avoid another case of the same problem in Iran, without the saving grace of a marginally net pro-western military.
20 posted on 12/13/2007 12:25:34 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Kurt Evans
"As a supporter of Governor Huckabee, I wouldn’t mind seeing criticisms of the actual substance of the speech. Does anyone here have any?"

Well, take this passage:

"Because of our special relationship with Britain and all our similarities with them, most Americans don’t realize that it is very different to be a Muslim citizen of Britain than a Muslim citizen of the United States, so we have trouble accepting that doctors in Britain become terrorists. We have to understand that while educated Muslims in Europe may not be materially deprived, many of them feel socially and emotionally deprived by a lack of acceptance. Earlier this month we saw the arrest of German citizens plotting a terror attack against American targets there."

Well, here's some criticism: he's telling us quite outright that European Muslim terrorists get that way because our native Euro cousins haven't given them a hug. What naivety!

What does Huck attribute the as motive for American-born terrorists like Jose Padilla? Johnny Walker Lindh? The Beltway Snipers? (spit!) Our fatty diet?

This is the same mentality that led the Huckster to release violent prisoners to go out and ruin more innocent lives, and is the same mentality that leads him to want to do stupid things like close Gitmo. The man is a mush-headed fool.

21 posted on 12/13/2007 12:26:26 AM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Kurt Evans

OK, you got three solid replies of valid criticism to Huckabee’s speech - from WOSG, JohnBovenmyer, and myself.

Care to reply to any of them?


50 posted on 12/13/2007 8:28:25 AM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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