What you're advocating is that the US Government deliberately stand by and let other people who have not agreed to be murdered, be murdered.
You're position is immoral, unethical, and decidedly un-Christian.
I notice you haven't responded to the terms of my little wager. What's the problem?
Personally I think I know what it is. If I were married to some moral reprobate who would allow me or my children to be tortured and murdered in order to prove some wrong headed and morally bankrupt 'principle' I'd be packing my bags, filing for divorce, and looking for someone who held rational views.
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You're position is immoral, unethical, and decidedly un-Christian.
I notice you haven't responded to the terms of my little wager. What's the problem?
Personally I think I know what it is. If I were married to some moral reprobate who would allow me or my children to be tortured and murdered in order to prove some wrong headed and morally bankrupt 'principle' I'd be packing my bags, filing for divorce, and looking for someone who held rational views.
D**n well said.
Somehow, it was apparently not the maxim governing the affair, that one should rush to embrace the devil out of a remote hope some future evil might be averted by it. Unless, say, you are talking about how Pilat was right to torture Christ to death in order to ensure order and save all the people who might die in a new Jewish war (like say the one that broke out around 70 AD). No wait, that wouldn't help your cause, would it?
And what I am advocating is that the US government deliberately wage war on our enemies, instead of deciding to become our enemy.
I have not given my consent to them, to torture anyone supposedly for my safety's sake. I really don't care that much about my safety. I'm not such a coward as that, and I know I am mortal anyway. There are higher things - liberty for one, moral principle for another, our souls for a third, etc.
You don't know anything higher. I understand. You live in a world in which the worst possible thing is death, and actively embracing evil seems a minor inconvenience (heck, it might wash off with a little Ivory) if there is even a remote chance it might spare you that for oh, about twenty minutes. You think the most powerful thing in the world is evil and pain, and you want it in your corner. But you are in its corner already, lost.
Everyone I know and care about agrees with me on this. Not everyone thinks safety a sufficient slogan to justify perfidy and murder and torture. Not everyone considers a mere allegation of expediency to be actual expediency, or rates either one higher than moral principle.
But I wouldn't care if everyone on earth had already sided with hell in the matter. It wouldn't move me one inch. I know what torture does to men's souls, I know what men's souls are worth, and the game is not worth the candle.