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To: robertpaulsen
Could you answer the relevant question?

Yes, foreign visitors, 3-year-olds, and the insane have the right to keep and bear arms, 3 year olds have no way to obtain them because their parents should be smart enough to keep them out of reach until they've been properly educated in firearm safety, and the insane will not be allowed to have access to them in the sanitarium..... as long as we're there, criminals will not have access to them in prison either. Any other ridiculous questions?

49 posted on 12/13/2007 6:48:52 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: logic
Could you answer the relevant question?

Never mind, I figured it out from your profile....

Uh-oh...Paulsen's off his meds again...

--Chances Are

51 posted on 12/13/2007 6:53:18 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: logic
"Could you answer the relevant question?"

I'll try. What is the relevant question?

"Yes, foreign visitors, 3-year-olds, and the insane have the right to keep and bear arms"

Well, you say they have the right, then you tell me why they can't. A 3-year-old has the ialienable right to life. Can his parents take away that right also? Can an institution take the life of a person deemed insane?

But they can take firearms, huh? How did you ever come to choose your screeen name? Was that a joke?

55 posted on 12/13/2007 7:32:57 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: logic
Good luck. Looks like the troll is off on a tear again...

: "Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." John Adams 1788(A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471)

"They [proposed Bill of Rights] relate 1st. to private rights....the great object in view is to limit and qualify the powers of government..." - 8 June 1789 (The Papers of James Madison, Hobson amp Rutland, 12:193, 204)

"Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." - Noah Webster, An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787

"if the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recorse left but the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramont to all forms of positive government." - Alexander Hamilton, writing in The Federalist Paper No. 28

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purpose without resistance is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms..." - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer 53 (1788)

The language of the second amendment is broad enough to embrace both Federal and state governments-nor is there anything in its terms which restricts its meaning...Is this a right reserved to the State or to themselves? Is it not an unalienable right, which lies at the bottom of every free government? We do not believe that, because the people withheld this arbitrary power of disfranchisement from Congress, they ever intended to confer it on the local legislatures. This right is too dear to be confided to a republican legislature.

The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution and void, which contravenes this right...

... to prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm ... is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege. - Georgia case of Nunn v. State, from 1846.

The First 10 Amendments to the Constitution as Ratified by the States December 15, 1791

Preamble

Congress OF THE United States begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

Art 6 para 2

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Bear means carry. Carry means to transport. Arms are self defense tools and trying to sub-divide into categories is meaningless. The People means the same as it does in the rest of the Constitution. Infringe means restrict, prohibit, or ban. Regulate means to make "regular" or well functioning and is only used in the Amendment in the context of ACTIVE duty militia and has ZERO bearing on the individual Right in the operative clause of the sentence.

There can be no rational debate with those who are working to subvert our Rights and the Constitutional protections for them. They are dishonest in the extreme and are accessories to murder for their advocacy of the validity of victim disarmament laws.

56 posted on 12/13/2007 7:59:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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