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To: Cicero
"These rights are inalienable because they are given by God and are basic to human nature as God created it."

Which means all human beings have the right. Even if the person is an illegal in this country, we protect his inalienable right to life. Or a foreign visitor. Or a 3-year-old child.

But ... wait a minute. If the right to keep and bear arms is also a God-given inalienable right, don't these human beings also have it? Or did God only give it to certain people and not others?

Gosh. I'm confused. Are you sure having a gun is an inalienable right?

15 posted on 12/12/2007 4:01:23 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Illegals have a right to protect themselves. But they don’t have a right to be in this country or to leach off of it.

The author uses the fire in a crowded theater example because that is a reasonable limitation on the inalienable right to free speech. As he says, it’s reasonable to say that convicted murderers and other serious criminals don’t have a right to bear arms. They still have a basic right to defend themselves, but they can’t be trusted with a gun.

Probably that applies to non-citizens in this country.

It’s always possible to think up exceptions and objections. Even a murderer probably has a right to defend himself. The law says he can’t own a gun, but moral justice might say that in extreme circumstances he would be right to defend himself, even though the law would punish him for doing it.

For instance, that convicted rapist that Huckabee freed who went on to kill a couple more people was earlier tied up in his home by a couple of gangsters who proceded to neuter him. Maybe you could say he deserved it, given his life of vicious crimes, but it would be hard to say he didn’t have a right to defend himself against such an attack.


16 posted on 12/12/2007 4:10:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: robertpaulsen
Even if the person is an illegal in this country, we protect his inalienable right to life. Or a foreign visitor. Or a 3-year-old child.

If the right to keep and bear arms is also a God-given inalienable right, don't these human beings also have it?

Sure they have it, but it's not protected by our Constitution. They are not part of "the people". Except for the 3 y/o, and the government may not infringe on her right either, but her parents may and should. But they should only in the course of training her to properly exercise the right.

I'm sure you saw the story about the 5 y/o decendent of Davey Crocket who took a 400+ pound bear with his own gun? Grandpa thought he'd missed, but he said something to the effect of "I didn't close my eyes and I didn't jerk the trigger, I kilt it grandpa" and he had.

18 posted on 12/12/2007 4:22:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: robertpaulsen
"Gosh. I'm confused. Are you sure having a gun is an inalienable right?

You ought to be confused. Even Hillery Clinton has the right to keep and bear arms.

"Even if the person is an illegal in this country, we protect his inalienable right to life."

We are the guys in the white hats! Up until we send them packing, they can depend upon us for three squares and a cot in the federal pen.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

22 posted on 12/12/2007 5:18:53 PM PST by An Old Man (Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
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To: robertpaulsen
.....Gosh. I'm confused. Are you sure having a gun is an inalienable right?

YES!!!!

38 posted on 12/13/2007 5:37:12 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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