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Bruce's History Lessons: The oh so controversial second amendment
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| December 11, 2007
| Bruce Kauffmann
Posted on 12/12/2007 2:03:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: logic
"This argument has always ticked me off to an unbearable level. I agree, it raises my hackles also! The fire in a crowded theater argument seems to always be thrown out without explaining why you should not shout FIRE ! in a crowded theater unless of course there really is a fire. In the latter case, it would be your duty to sound the alarm.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
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posted on
12/12/2007 5:02:09 PM PST
by
An Old Man
(Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
To: robertpaulsen
"Gosh. I'm confused. Are you sure having a gun is an inalienable right? You ought to be confused. Even Hillery Clinton has the right to keep and bear arms.
"Even if the person is an illegal in this country, we protect his inalienable right to life."
We are the guys in the white hats! Up until we send them packing, they can depend upon us for three squares and a cot in the federal pen.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
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posted on
12/12/2007 5:18:53 PM PST
by
An Old Man
(Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
To: An Old Man
"You ought to be confused. Even Hillery Clinton has the right to keep and bear arms."An inalienable right to keep and bear arms? That's the question.
And if it's a God-given inalienable right, like life or liberty, why isn't it given to 3-year-olds and foreign visitors and the insane? What, God doesn't like them?
To: robertpaulsen
Do you persist in these word games because you hate God or because we have the right to keep and bear arms?
Semper Fi
An Old Man
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posted on
12/12/2007 5:41:57 PM PST
by
An Old Man
(Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
To: robertpaulsen
Yeah. But I don't believe Davy Crockett was three when he killed his. Neither does the kid's grandfather, the one is also a direct descendant of D.C.
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posted on
12/12/2007 6:42:17 PM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: longtermmemmory
i am so tired of the ‘fire in the crowded theatre’ bit...
free speech allows that... intelligent people, those that reason, will see there is no smoke, or flames and know the ‘yeller’ is an idiot...
then the yeller should suffer the consequences of his actions...
regulations are coming, the proliferation of shootings to get famous will see to that.
teeman
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posted on
12/12/2007 7:37:32 PM PST
by
teeman8r
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posted on
12/12/2007 10:10:22 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
To: El Gato
Well this thread cleared some things up for me.
And if you have to ask then you've only got my sympathies and nothing else.
See ya 'round.
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posted on
12/13/2007 4:58:51 AM PST
by
Joe Brower
(Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
To: neverdem
PREDICTION: The Supremes will rule the law in DC is unconstitutional and the citizens have the "right to keep and bear arms", but this does not mean that reasonable restrictions to ensure the felon or mentally-ill cannot purchase any firearm cannot be used.(Protection for the BATFE)
It will be one of those narrow-focused rulings we get from the Supremes.
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:05:55 AM PST
by
Pistolshot
(Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
To: Pistolshot
to ensure the felon or mentally-ill cannot purchase any firearm can be used
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:07:00 AM PST
by
Pistolshot
(Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
To: neverdem
At the time, “regulate” was understood to mean “cause to function well” as in: members had appropriate equipment, knew how to use it efficiently, and were trained to work with others well. Used that way today, you would be expected to buy your own M16 & ammo, practice with it, and periodically train with your local squad. This in no way infringes on your right to own what you want and use it responsibly.
Somehow the term “regulate” has been twisted into the modern meaning “suppress, interfere and harrass insofar as outright prohibition cannot be achieved” - not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:08:44 AM PST
by
ctdonath2
(The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
To: An Old Man
"Do you persist in these word games"Word games? The U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Supreme Court treat rights differently depending on whether they are inalienable, fundamental, or natural.
An inalienable right (like life, liberty or property) can only be taken by individual due process (ie., a court of law). It cannot be taken by a majority vote in the legislature.
Words mean things. You're throwing them around like confetti.
To: Pistolshot
"PREDICTION: The Supremes will rule the law in DC is unconstitutional and the citizens have the "right to keep and bear arms", but this does not mean that reasonable restrictions to ensure the felon or mentally-ill cannot purchase any firearm cannot be used.(Protection for the BATFE)"How is that different than what the DC Circuit ruled? In other words, how is this ruling different than if the U.S.Supreme Court declined to hear the case and let stand the DC Circuit decision?
To: logic
people for some reason don’t understand that there are already laws in place regarding firearm equivalent to yelling “fire” in a theatre.
there are already laws against assault, murder, menacing..
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:30:27 AM PST
by
absolootezer0
(white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
To: Cicero
In other words, the right of self-defense is another inalienable right, like the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.Absolutely correct! In fact, to amplify your thought, if the right to life is inalienable, then the right to defend (or keep) that same life must also be inalienable!!
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:30:56 AM PST
by
logic
(Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
To: ctdonath2
"Somehow the term regulate has been twisted into the modern meaning suppress, interfere and harrass insofar as outright prohibition cannot be achieved - not what the Founding Fathers had in mind."Gosh. And somehow the phrase "to keep and bear arms" has been twisted into the modern meaning of "keep with" and "carry" instead of "maintain and take into battle". But that's OK I guess. Living constitution and all that.
Even if the term "regulate" was abused the way you say (which it's not), the term still only applies to the Militia ("A well regulated Militia") not to the the right of the people.
To: robertpaulsen
.....Gosh. I'm confused. Are you sure having a gun is an inalienable right?YES!!!!
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:37:12 AM PST
by
logic
(Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
To: robertpaulsen
How is that different than what the DC Circuit ruled? In other words, how is this ruling different than if the U.S.Supreme Court declined to hear the case and let stand the DC Circuit decision?The difference is it will then be precedent in the entire country, instead of just in that federal district.....
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:46:52 AM PST
by
logic
(Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
To: absolootezer0
people for some reason dont understand that there are already laws in place regarding firearm equivalent to yelling fire in a theatre. there are already laws against assault, murder, menacing..
EXACTLY!!! Those are the laws we need enforced, not the existing gun control laws, The existing gun control laws need to be struck down as unconstitutional!!!!
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posted on
12/13/2007 5:49:54 AM PST
by
logic
(Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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