Posted on 12/12/2007 11:48:45 AM PST by enough_idiocy
For some reason I find the topic fascinating, in that I'd think there would be health issues.
Apparently, ABC didn’t learn a damn thing about fake but accurate reporting from the Rathergate scandal with 60 Minutes. If this is exposed as the trumped-up media fantasy it appears to be, they’re done.
The Jury can reach neither a ‘guilty’ nor a ‘not guilty’ verdict on this woman’s face. I am going to have to ask for more pictures to make a determination.
Health problems from Saline? They put Saline into IV tubes at the hospital. What health issues would come about?
It doesn't appear to be. With the Congressional help required to dispatch the State Department to rescue this woman, there is going to be an enormous amount of documentation. If this rescue didn't occur, the State Department would have stated so. Instead the State Department has clammed up because they know they should not have given the rape kit away (which will also be documented).
It is a pity the US military wasn't sent in to rescue her instead. I have no doubt that this would have been thoroughly investigated in that case.
Another blond useful idiot of the left I’m afraid.
You just called a military wife a useful idiot. Her Republican Congressman is the one who sent the State Department to rescue her. Have you no shame?
I am totally disgusted with this comment. I fully expect an immediate apology. And I hope you learn to hold your tongue in the future.
So now a military wife is in a protected class? All republocants are somehow keepers of the shield of conservativism and all that is true and right? Give me a break. Everything I have read about these claims is BS. It smells like a perverted version of the Duke rape travesty. And NO I will not apologize, who am I supposed to apologize to? If, only IF, over time when this all play’s out it is proven my opinion was wrong I will then apologize, until then, hold your breath.
It “deflated” almost immediately. The saline was absorbed very quickly. There was no discomfort or health issue except for the cosmetic problem of having one “flat tire.”
She got replacements a few weeks later.
“Oh... and she’s sold the film rights to her story already. Well isn’t that interesting.”
According to a guest on Glenn Beck’s broadcast today, a senator from Texas, she tried quietly and discreetly to get someone in authority to go to bat for her, to no avail. And it was at THAT point that she went public, including selling her story.
I’m the biggest male chauvinist pig you ever met......in a good way; but it bothers me greatly to read between the lines of many of the comments on this story and to detect a strong leaning toward BLAMING THE VICTIM via snotty little remarks here and there, including yours. At least, that’s how you came across.
First, most people have the common decency not to assume that a potential rape victim is lying (they wait for the evidence to play out). This rape may or may not have occurred, but any holes in this story are cosmetic at best. There HAS NOT been a federal prosecutor investigating this case. A civil lawsuit and an upcoming Congressional investigation were required to even hear about this story. This is nothing like the Duke rape story. The Duke rape story at least had an investigation (which was bungled).
Second, yes, military wives deserve our respect. If I made a crass comment about a military wife like that when I was in the Navy I would have been punched in the face—and for good reason. Those who question the integrity of a military wife had better have very good evidence.
Third, you should apologize because you called her a useful idiot without justification. That apology should be to everyone who happened to read your vile statement.
You didn't happen to see Jimmy Hoffa did you?
“Apparently she didn’t see the Mythbusters episode where they demonstrated that breast implants are virtually indestructible. Can’t be run over, can’t be exploded via low pressure, etc.”
In fairness, her website states that the implants had been dislodged due to a torn pectorial. I dont think she said they ruptured. The slick “foundation”, the website, movie deal, marketing director and the “glam shots” make me suspicious of her story.
Me too. Whether she is telling the truth or not, she needs to fire whoever designed that website.
That was funny! XD
Ah well then the Mythbusters guys must have been using silicone implants instead of saline.
Fair enough. It bothers me that I came across that way. If you've seen any of my posts on similar stories over the years, I think I can show a strong record of always coming down on the side of the victim-- and blasting those who even hint at blaming the victim for any part of their situation.
I tend to fight against that kind of cynicism. It really ticks me off when I see it around here.
But I'll admit that my cynical side jumped up right away in this case, and I'm not sure why. There's just something not quite snapping into focus here. Something isn't right about the story. My spidey-sense is usually pretty trustworthy in this regard, so I listen to it.
If she truly was assaulted in any way then she deserves every benefit of the doubt, any of my comments notwithstanding. I'm the first one to step up to defend people when I think they're getting a raw deal.
But like the phony-soldier media set-ups... Halliburton and KBR are ripe for somebody fishing for publicity and deep pockets. I've read several different accounts of this woman's story and dang it if every single one of them wasn't completely different-- on some truly material points. My initial knee-jerk to defend HER didn't stand, after a few more stories and now this article with some even more different angles... well, something just ain't right. IMHO.
There is more information here. Her story definately has some credibility. The State Department did rescue her from the container.
I am totally disgusted with this comment. I fully expect an immediate apology. And I hope you learn to hold your tongue in the future.
I’ve met some military wives who were slightly to the left of Cynthia Mckinney and also tried to wear their husbands’ authority.
Most military spouses are fine hardworking women but their status doesn’t place them above reproach.
I’m not going to assume guilt or innocence without more evidence. Remember the Duke case? How about the TANG memos that “proved” President Bush shirked his duty?
If accusation is valid, hang them. If she’s lying, hang her.
Here is part of the transcript of US Representative Ted Poe on Glenn Beck's show.
REPRESENTATIVE POE: Well, as soon as I got the call from her father who was, you know, tremendously excited and worried, we contacted officials at the State Department and within 48 hours they had two agents there in Baghdad and found her, rescued her. And she needed much more medical attention, and she received that and finally was brought back to the United States very shortly thereafter.Then things seemed to have just fallen off the radar. We've tried to find out what has happened to the perpetrators, these criminals. Who are they, where are they and what has been done, and really haven't gotten satisfactory answers.
REPRESENTATIVE POE: Well, a lady in that situation who's brutalized and, you know, thousands of miles from home and has nobody and alone, we can't really second-guess what she does as a sexual assault victim. She did what she thought was best. And we didn't get any results from our government and so she's made the choice to go public, which is a difficult situation for any sexual assault victim to do, and whether this happened or not, well, the proof is in the medical. The medical reports are -- without question show that she was brutalized over there in Iraq and now people need to be brought to court and held accountable and let's air it publicly now and find out who was there, who was responsible and why nothing happened until recently.
REPRESENTATIVE POE: No. As a former judge and prosecutor, there is federal law that applies to this case and here's the reason. The jurisdiction of where this happened in the green zone, in Camp Hope in Baghdad is under the jurisdiction of the State Department and since it's under the jurisdiction of the State Department, federal law does apply and people can be prosecuted for crimes against American citizens.
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