Posted on 12/12/2007 8:41:31 AM PST by xzins
Republican Mitt Romney retorted to questions about his faith by surging rival Mike Huckabee on Wednesday, declaring that "attacking someone's religion is really going too far."
In an article to be published Sunday in The New York Times, Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
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Requires sign it, which I won’t do with the nyt.
Can you send it to my freepmail?
So, can we expect the next natural question to cross Huck's mind to be to ask Guiliani about if the Catholics really believe in ritual cannibalism? After all, having been raised a baptist, he might be vague on those wafer thingies.
The "disingenuous question" ploy of planting prespun suggestions is as old as the demagoguery Huck learned at college. It's merely a variation on the "have you stopped beating your wife" type of attack disguised as an inquiry. He's not looking for information on Mormonism, he is trying to plant negative perceptions about it.
The MSM will keep this “non-issue” forefront as long as possible and the Mitt-haters follow suit. That is all that is happening here. There is no more critique of sources, nor notice of context, on this forum. Sad.
Who hates Mitt? He’s a flip flopper, but is a nice fellow.
You are not the first FReeper to state that. How sad. I'm so glad that was not taught, that I know of, in the American Baptist church I grew up in.
Nevertheless, I am also converting to Roman Catholic and am overjoyed about it...:)
Discussions on FR have opened my eyes to many things, good and bad. By far, the worst has been the religious bigotry of which I was blessedly unaware before.
It's a short but vocal list. I know you've seen them, so don't know why you ask the question, unless you feel defensive.
You are mixing hatred of their political with hatred of the personal. I deplore most of these candidate’s records with a passion. Does not mean I hate them. I think 95% of freepers fall into the same category.
[Did he “Huck” receive a tolerant response?]
Well of course not. But the hypocrisy runs rampant of both sides.
Mitt ‘I’m a Godfearing family man but don’t bring God or religion into this.”
Huck ‘Mitt, you are a cultist and thirdgrader throwing taunts.”
Mitt and Huck are disasters waiting to happen.
Your insistance on misrepresenting my position, even after I have corrected you, proves that you have no interest in the truth.
I don’t expect to change the minds of anybody here. My only goal at this point is to correct the obviously false statements, so someone reading through the threads at least sees the truth, whether they are overwhelmed by the falsehoods or not.
I’m surprised so many Mitt people are still around. The gang has done a good job of chasing away or at least chasing underground all the Rudy supporters, most of the Ron Paul supporters, and of course the McCain supporters. They tolerate the Hunter people, but have chased a couple of them off just to make sure the rest stay in line.
“If elected he will have a lot of Mormons as staff in the White House.”
Great. So did Reagan. Reagan had quite a few Mormons on staff, like Bay Buchanan and others. Romney will hire the best, as he did in private life leading Bain and Co and as Gov.
God love crack-heads, mass murderers, and abortionists too. Just as much as he loves followers of a false and blaspheming “sect” of Christianity. Through the writings of Paul, He warned me about Joseph Smith. Too bad many conservatives here let them get away with using the bigot card for every hard sell they face.
I don’t need to bone up on LDS. I’ve read enough.
Yes, I agree. The DIMS are loving this! Here's a comment left on a blog today that illustrates your point quite well, imo:
"Thanks, Huck, for showing us that it's not "bigoted" to attack faith. Nothing could hearten the libs more than the sight of two religious loons fighting over Jesus' relatives, sacred underwear and whether or not the Catholic mass is a form of cannibalism. Have at it!"
“Huckabee asks a question that’s on the mind of evangelicals.” - If the tax-and-spend flipflopper-on-immigration soft-on-crime clueless-on-Iran nannystatist Huckabee has questions, they should be focussed on something a bit more pertinentand important than a dumb Mormon doctrine question!!!
But the problem is that Huckabee is outright lying when he feigns ‘not to know’ much or have an opinion about Mormonism. He is benefitting from Romney’s “mormon issue” with evangelicals flocking to him with his “I’m the Christian leader” campaign, but lacks the honesty, class and leadership skills to make sure the Mormon issue is off the table.
Since the secularist journalists are clueless dolts, they wouldn’t think to ask why Huckster is so innocently unknowledgable about Mormonism, when he’s a SBC preacher, and the 1998 Southern Baptist convention was *in Salt Lake City* they preached the conversion of Mormons to Baptists.
In 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) descended on Salt Lake City for their annual meeting. If you think that’s an unusual choice, you’d be right. The number of SBC members in Utah is negligible, but the message would be unmistakable. In spite of nearly identical political and social mores, the SBC disdained association with Latter-day Saints in Jerry Falwell’s abortive Moral Majority. As is custom for such annual meetings, there is a massive proselyting effort in the environs of the city, but for Salt Lake, the SBC produced a 50 minute video entitled, “the Mormon Puzzle” and distributed to ALL 40,000 Baptist congregations sending delegates to the meeting. In addition, the SBC also printed over 12,000 copies of “Mormonism Unmasked” The materials characterized Mormonism as a dangerous cult (a dehumanizing Evangelical perjorative) and a major threat to SBC interests. However it mainly instructed “messengers” on how to attack the beliefs of their Mormon targets. There was little doubt that this provocative action by the SBC was designed to be a showdown—the mainstream press sent its largest contingent ever to the Salt Lake City annual meeting, hoping for open warfare. In the end, Mormon church leadership simply encouraged its members to be courteous to their Baptist brethren and the story evaporated.
Now here is the kicker: Huckabee attended and gave a major speech at the 1998 Southern Baptist Pastor’s Conference held in Salt Lake City in conjunction with their National Convention. He was there!
Huckabee expects us to believe he never picked up much of anything about Mormonism after having a lead role in the domination most dedicated to converting Mormons and after having spoke at a major convention focused on those very activities.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Source: http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/1998/jun/08/huckabee-us-gave-religion/
“In my MDiv we never once discussed Mormonism. Ever.”
Well, Mike Huckabee was at the 1998 SBC convention in Salt Lake City, where they made a big push for the conversion of Mormons and they very much did discuss that very matter.
It’s curious that someone would off-hand bring up the ‘Jesus and satan are brothers’ point as a question, when in fact that is exactly one of the SBC half-truth-takes on Mormon doctrine. This is way beyond disingenuous from the slick Huckster.
It’s further curious that he has done little to denounce or discourage cultivation of the ‘mormon issue’ among his supporters. I linked to an article that shows exactly that.
-—“Huckabee asks a question that’s on the mind of evangelicals.”-—
Huckabee deals the religious card from the bottom of the deck. Here we see a minister no less, playing to the lowest instincts of those who listen to him. And for what purpose? Simply for his own gain. Disgusting!
The undertone here is that if others don’t believe exactly as you, they are dangerous somehow. I looked at Huckabee as someone I could vote for if it came to that. Now I think not.
“Did Huchabee say anything that is not true?”
Yes. He lied when he feigned ignorance in the NYT article.
It’s curious that the guy is an incompetent boob on foreign policy and many other things, but the ONE THING he does know is faith and doctrine of sects.
“Does it bother you that Obama’s father was a muslim and Obama attended a muslim school when he was young?”
It bothers me that Romney gets the third degree, the double standard and no slack, while Obama gets the media celeb treatment and no tough treatment at all.
I am pointing to Huckabee’s attendance at the 1998 SBC convention in Salt Lake City(!!), where Mormonism was front and center agenda, as clear evidence that he knows more ... Huckster is playing the religion card while trying not to get caught doing it. You’d be a fool or a shill not to see the trick in this verbal equivalent of 3-card monte..
As you say:
“So, we can conclude he was being coy, disingenuous, petty, manipulative, and conniving. It was a contrived set-up in an area he should have left to others to debate pro and con, and I hope it backfires on him.”
As a church-going, staunch Baptist who was raised going to church twice on Sunday and every Wednesday night — I am sick at the thought of Huckabee becoming the GOP nominee.
Firstly, the vast left-right US electorate would balk at the thought of a Baptist Minister being in the White House.
Also, Huckabee’s pro-illegal immigrant stance goes AGAINST my number one concern for America — which is that we are abandoning our Judeo-Christian Euro-Centric society for some socialist centered Latin American model.
Plus Huckabee is just NOT made of Presidential timber. Perhaps I am being juvenile, but that lazy eye thing which Huckabee has ... just is such a turn off as Commander in Chief ...
Please. Voters in Iowa. Wake up. Romney, Hunter, Thompson ... even McCain.
But NOT Huckabee. I love our Republican Party waaay too much to see it implode with another Arkansas politician in the spotlight.
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