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'Waterboarding broke al Qaeda captive in 35 seconds,' says former CIA agent defending torture
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Posted on 12/12/2007 6:37:32 AM PST by UKrepublican

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To: Romulus

So you are unable to answer the real questions.
Guess you are one of those “keyboard cowards” sitting in the comfort of your room protected by brave souls that you choose to insult.
Your refusal to answer my simple questions is answer enough as to your so called “culture”.
You have no “culture”.


121 posted on 12/12/2007 10:32:07 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: gondramB

Seriously, have we EVER faced an enemy that abided by the “rules of war” because we did?


122 posted on 12/12/2007 10:32:55 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: subterfuge

Easy way to cut through the crap -

Romulus, would you waterboard someone to save your family & friends’ lives?


123 posted on 12/12/2007 10:34:18 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: gondramB

Sorry but the current problem is that the democrats want us to look bad in their desperate attempt to gain back the white house by making everything republicans do look bad.
If we are so hated then why is everyone trying to get here to live in freedom?


124 posted on 12/12/2007 10:34:32 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: MrB

Asked and answered.
He said no he would not waterboard even if it saved his own family and the lives of everyone in the city he lives in.
He called me hard hearted and of dark intellect yet would sacrifice his family and perhaps millions of others for his “culture”.


125 posted on 12/12/2007 10:37:08 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Pistolshot

One life for many is a price that may need to be paid.

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Visualize an American soldier. Somewhat resembling Beetle Bailey. What used to be called “an eight ball, goldbrick” or in other words, a goofball recruit who can’t seem to become “ all that he can be”, but is qualified to wear the uniform, barely.
This single American soldier is worth waterboarding a dozen or more AQs to save. A little perspective, please.


126 posted on 12/12/2007 10:37:20 AM PST by Perfesser
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To: smoketree

>>Sorry but the current problem is that the democrats want us to look bad in their desperate attempt to gain back the white house by making everything republicans do look bad.
If we are so hated then why is everyone trying to get here to live in freedom?<<

Actually tourism to the U.S. is way down but I meant lack of support in money and personnel for our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.


127 posted on 12/12/2007 10:42:08 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Perfesser
This single American soldier is worth waterboarding a dozen or more AQs to save.

Yes.

Next question?

128 posted on 12/12/2007 10:45:26 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Romulus
This quote from Churchill has been repeated ad nauseam by David Irving and the usual suspects interested in denigrating the Allied war effort.

I will point out that Arthur Harris was not in command of US air assets, and that even if Churchill's analysis of Harris' intentions were accurate - which in point of fact it wasn't - Harris' intentions have nothing to do with US air assets or their deployment.

I will also note that Churchill's comments were made not only after Dresden but after the bombing of Dortmund, Essen, Chemnitz, Jena, Bielefeld, Hanover, Leipzig and Nuremberg. Several of these attacks utilized more aircraft and more ordinance than at Dresden against cities smaller than Dresden with lower-priority military targets than Dresden.

Is it possible that Churchill was referring to these instead of Dresden?

I will further point out that Churchill himself commissioned the Secretary of State for Air (the civilian oversight for the RAF and Harris' boss) to produce a report outlining priority military targets for aerial bombardment months before he wrote this letter to Harris.

Churchill received the Secretary's report on Jan 27, 1945. It mentioned Dresden as one of four key military targets that should be attacked as quickly as possible to assist Allied ground forces to sustain their post-Bulge positions.

By February 4th plans were drawn up to attack Dresden. During all this time there was no talk of inflicting terror or death on German civilians, but of the best way to prevent the successful redeployment of 42 divisions of German infantry and armor to the Eastern front, which was the purpose of the Dresden raid.

Nine days later, the Dresden raid took place.

Three weeks after Churchill's letter to Harris, Dresden was raided yet again, on April 17, to prevent the Nazis from rebuilding rail arteries across the Elbe to elude Allied forces.

That raid evoked no complaints from Churchill.

G&S condemns indiscriminate acts of war. You are defending them. Renounce and repent.

Nothing about Dresden was indiscriminate. Perhaps you should repent of twisting magisterial documents for rhetorical effect.

129 posted on 12/12/2007 10:46:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: MrB

It’s considered rude not to ping people you mention in a post.

Your question wonders if I view moral questions differently when my personal interests are at stake.

Would you steal a billion dollars to save your mother’s life? Your cousin’s? Your cousin’s friend’s car mechanic who lives in another state? Why or why not? Is it really about the life at stake, or about you? Analyze and discuss.


130 posted on 12/12/2007 10:51:43 AM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: gondramB

I was not aware that tourists were coming here to live.
People all over the world would love to live here in freedom.
Do you dispute that?
Still lack of support is because the rats amd the drive by media in suport of the rats are doing everything they can to make us look bad because the President is a republican.
If the pres were a rat then they would be saying everything was fine.
Do you dispute that?


131 posted on 12/12/2007 10:52:17 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Pistolshot

What about to save members of code pink who then turn around and spit on you?


132 posted on 12/12/2007 10:53:27 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: wideawake
Nothing about Dresden was indiscriminate.

Your own words condemn you.

133 posted on 12/12/2007 10:54:11 AM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: smoketree
What about to save members of code pink who then turn around and spit on you?

Are they dedicated to cutting your head off? Are they offended enough to want you dead?

Are you saying there are US Citizens you would let die?

Whether you agree with their politics or not is not the question. It's a question of US Citizens lives. There is NOT ONE US Citizens life worth sacrificing.

Not one.

134 posted on 12/12/2007 10:59:10 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Romulus

Your postulations are ridiculous.
If you would sacrifice your own family and the lives of those in your city then any moral dilema’s your propose are irrelevant.
Please explain what culture you come from that would sacrifice millions of your “fellow” citizens.


135 posted on 12/12/2007 11:00:16 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree

Why would you expect me to disagree with that?

Their bias doesn’t change the fundamentals.


136 posted on 12/12/2007 11:00:47 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: smoketree
It's rude not to ping people you're talking about.

He said no he would not waterboard even if it saved his own family and the lives of everyone in the city he lives in.

Liar.

137 posted on 12/12/2007 11:01:08 AM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: UKrepublican

It was not “torture” and if congress thought it was they had an obligation to speak out when they first learned about it, in ‘02!


138 posted on 12/12/2007 11:01:39 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Romulus

Glad to see you answered it.

It’s worth more to you to spare a terrorist 35 seconds of discomfort than to save your family.

I believe this will be a question that I ask anyone that seeks to date my daughters. Shows where their priorities are.


139 posted on 12/12/2007 11:05:36 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Pistolshot

Thank you. You answered correctly.
I did not advocate sacrificing code pink. I simply asked a question.
Of course we save their lives because that is what freedom is about. The freedom to criticize and protest.
And the freedom to be ungrateful.


140 posted on 12/12/2007 11:09:19 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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