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Gee, OJ says he is innocent, it was in the civil trial. So, He is right? I think you give inordinate weight to things recorded in a court case. Clinton’s testimony is recorded in the Grand Jury, but we know he and she lie through their teeth. Evidence is in the eye of the beholder and the stature and truthfulness of the witness. The Lord has the only video tapes and you have apparently seen them with regard to the MMM. Is that right? It is not silly to suspect that people lie for various reasons. But, apparently people that hate mormons always tell the truth. Of course, no one was ever charged with the murders and Haun’s Mill or Carthage so we don’t even have their lies recorded. The preponderance of evidence is that BY did not order anyone murdered or he would have finished off the US Army in the mountains. He merely defeated them without killing or hurting any of them. It is true they got a bit hungry in the mountains after he chopped off their supplies.

I'm assuming you meant me in your post #340 rather than tru-stu. Poor tru. Let me ask you a question here shall we hmmmm? Was OJ executed? Was he ever about to face execution? Was Clinton executed? Was he ever in any danger of execution? Did either of them issue a 'confession' knowing they were about to be executed???? Kind of destroys your thesis using OJ and Clinton as examples on the credibility of court room confessions don't it? (Not to mention this was a 19th century courtroom not infested with politically correct 20th century liberals as was the case with your 2 rather dubious examples but I digress).

Now please enlighten all of us why exactly someone who is about to face his maker would need to "LIE" in a confession just to protect BY??? Be honest - would YOU? I thought not, so thank you very much for proving this event with your babbling. I'll stand by my sources thank you very much along with the other historians based on the overwhelming evidence in this particular case to the contrary, and you can continue to wallow in your comfortable little world where fear is the motivator for never, ever, questioning anything the LDS ever in any way says or does. OH GOSH, heavens no - the LDS would NEVER EVER cover-up its questionable past from anybody would they? OH my no -- oh no --- its always the anti-mormons isn't it never the Church lying to YOU? tsk tsk tsk. Yeah anti-mormons are so evil we have the audacity to actually show you direct quotations complete with source citations that your own leaders have actually SAID. (This is done not bash but to present truth). But hey if you don't like the quotes and sources we post seems to me your problem isn't with us -- its with the LDS. So my dear if you don't like what you see -- why are you STILL LDS?

I give up. I'm rather reminded of a rabid jihadist faced with the truth of Mohammed and starts yelling death to the infidel for daring to question his prophet. So go ahead and sit in your comfy corner. And while you're there don't forget to put a blindfold over your eyes, cover your mouth with your hands, stick cotton in your ears and hum after me LA LA LA LA LA LA LA as loud as you can. Meanwhile I'll happily take comfort in the obvious reality that I've struck a nerve here and pray the real Lord of Heaven and Earth will open your eyes to truth.