Posted on 12/12/2007 6:04:34 AM PST by libstripper
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
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You’ve gone over the line there, Susan. No one has called anyone a bigot but you, with all due respect.
As a traditional Catholic also, I agree with you. Pope Benedict has worked very hard at bringing religions together with what they have in common. Mr. Huckabee went a little over the line, which I am sad to say. I am a little disappointed in him and him alone. Being a person in his position, he should have known better. He has shown that he is not capable of bringing the entire GOP base together and, if he should want to do that, he will have to get a little bit of credibility back.
See post #230, graph one...(she just did reference “religious bigots”)
What charade? I just told you exactly what is what...Any mormon would do the same. I give up. Just call me names I will feel alot better.
Except for Mitt Romney.............which is precisely the point here which you’ve failed to grasp.........
Nonsense.. It is not his place to discuss theology in a campaign. You can find out his theology with a couple of clicks if you really wanted to know and this is somehow a charade. Lets hope Duncan Hunter gets going so I can go back to being friends with people. Obviously, I cannot be your friend. But, have a nice day anyway.
A few comments:
1) Statements and writings from a Mormon Apostle, from a past President of the Mormon Church, and from Brigham Young don't exactly count as "off the cuff" quotes, in my book. They sound like they're reiterating serious, even if "non-canonical" statements of belief.
2) I'm sure there were a lot of Protestants and Catholics who owned slaves too. But most of them stopped considering blacks as spiritual second class citizens before the 1970s.
3) While I (obviously) disagree with Mormonism, I think Huckabee is way off the mark and is really shooting himself in the foot with his attacks on Romney. Theology isn't really pertinent to the Presidency.
Being able to look up Mormon theology with a couple of clicks is exactly HOW the charade is exposed. Mitt himself made this an issue by trying to equate the Mormon Christ with the traditional Christ which all mormons (including you) have rejected. I believe that's the exact point where it becomes a charade. And that is an insult to mainstream Christians whether you like it or not, and that is where Mitt Romney made his campaign an issue of theology. Big mistake. If Mitt happens to be nominated wait until Hillary starts making this 'charade' a campaign issue and she will. Democrats are salivating at the possibility that either Mitt or Huckabee will win the nomination. Ask yourself why?
I happen to agree with you regarding Duncan Hunter btw.
Aloha Snackbar! Aloooooha Snackbar!
Thank's for posting that, it's a decent response, and I do think he needed to address this issue.
Catholica and Protestants are the ones that left Christianity behind with their heresies. Think about it.
One FREEPER posted a thread yesterday that said 54% of Americans would not vote for an atheist.
I checked back over & over again, after this was specifically pointed out, to see how many of...
...the "tolerant crowd"...
...the "religious liberty is guaranteed" crowd (as if religious beliefs are unchallengeable in the public square)...
...the bigot patrol...
...would come out of the woodwork to condemn the majority of Americans who would take an atheist candidate's spiritual beliefs into consideration...
All I saw were a few of the 46 percenters who commented that they might vote for an atheist...but nobody would condemn the majority of Americans for taking that posture.
Why such hypocrisy & inconsistency? Why the countless & vehement condemnation, insults, invectives, ad hominen attacks upon FREEPERS who conclude, "No, I don't think I'll vote for someone who thinks he's about to become a god"...but no collateral condemnation upon the majority of Americans who conclude, "No, I don't think I'll vote for someone who strongly believes there is no god?"
What you are going to have to do is support your position that Smith was a true prophet of God having violated your own LDS teaching regarding Deut. 18:22.
You are babbling. Which prophesy are you referring to? make sure it is a prophesy and not just a remark of the man.
Yeah, it was a stupid thing to bring up, but is it true?
Doesn't it bother you a little bit that your allies in declaring the Trinity heresy are Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, and Moslems?
In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied that the coming of the Lord was near and that fifty-six years should wind up the scene. (I believe that equates to about 1890-1891). The History of the Church, volume 2, page 182, reads as follows: "President Smith then stated ... it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene." Joseph Smith later said that a voice once told him the following: " 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man...'(History of the Church, vol. 5, p.336). On the same page Joseph Smith said: "There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." Hmmmm wow all these 120 or 130+ year old mormons walking around (sarcasm).
Joseph Smith then proceeded to make a prophesy about the coming of Christ. Since the last six words have been deleted in the History of the Church (under the date of April 6, 1843) I'm going to cite the original source—i.e., Joseph Smith's diary, March 10, 1843—July 14, 1843: "... I prophecy in the name of the Lord God—& let it be written: that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890...." Klaus J. Hansen confirms this belief by stating that "in 1890 there was a widespread belief among church members that Joseph Smith's prediction of 1835, that fifty-six years would 'wind up the scene,' would be fulfilled" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1966, p.76). On October 14, 1886, Abraham H. Cannon recorded the following in his journal: Thursday, Oct. 14th:—The following are words spoken by Apostel [sic] Moses Thatcher, at Lewiston, . . .It is my belief, that the time of our deliverance will be within five years; the time indicated being February 14th, 1891.... And that the man raised up will be no other than the Prophet Joseph Smith in his resurrected body.... the government will pass into the hands of the Saints, and that within five years. There will not be a city in the Union that will not be in danger of disruption by the Knights of Labor, who are becoming a formidable power in the land...." ("Daily journal of Abraham H. Cannon," October 14, 1886, BYU Library). I don't seem to recall the United States government passing into the hands of the Mormon church do you?
When the Twelve Apostles were first ordained in the Mormon church some of them also received the promise that they would live until Christ came: "The blessing of Lyman E. Johnson was,... that he shall live until the gathering is accomplished.... and he shall see the Savior come and stand upon the earth with power and great glory" (History of the Church, vol. 2, p.188). Guess what? Unless old Lyman is still iving he died first.
You have a real issue here mountain man. Putting my sarcasm aside, obviously none of this ever happened as you and I both know. So....you have to either denounce Smith or denounce the source material which unfortunately for you happens to BE the LDS. You could accuse all this material as being fake or made up, but then again you can easily look this up in the BYU library so that don't work either. So, we're back to the sad reality these statements were in fact issued by Smith and his followers in direct contradiction of Deut. 18:22, sorry. (This is only the beginning btw we'd be here all day if I started listing ALL of Smith's false prophecies). I suggest you research this before you accuse someone of babbling.
However important you make comments sound, they are not important unless adopted by the church in Gen. Conf. None of your quotes rise above opinion, no one knew why the Lord kept the Priesthood from Blacks until the time was right. I quit trying to figure out why the Lord does what he does. Alot of people speculated as to the reasons, Blacks were never second class citizens in the church they functioned like everybody else they just did hold PH until 1978. We did not segregate like the protestants did. Looking back many years the comments look and sound ridiculous, but alot of things look silly with 20/20 hindsight.
One small item, Joseph Smith did not live that long. He was murdered. If he had remained in charge, who knows what may have happened.
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