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'Golden Compass' Doesn't Get the Lead Out
Box Office Mojo ^ | Dec 10, 2007 | Brandon Gray

Posted on 12/11/2007 3:23:15 PM PST by I still care

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To: I still care
I consider Golden Compass to rely on the phrases a sucker is born every minute and never give a sucker an even break.

I guess there are those in Hollywood that hope to generate controversy or something to con $10 (or more) from people going to the movies.

Of course when good movies come along (like Bella), people are reluctant to put down the $10...

41 posted on 12/11/2007 6:47:15 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: dynachrome

“Ever since Pope John Calvin had moved the seat of the Papacy to Geneva and set up the Consistorial Court of Discipline, the Church’s power over every aspect of life had been absolute. The Papacy itself had been abolished after Calvin’s death, and a tangle of courts, colleges, and councils, collectively known as the Magisterium, had grown up in its place.”

- The Golden Compass, Chapter Two

... so it would seem he’s trying to spread it around a little. In the movie, the inquisitorial nature of the Magisterium is made quite clear, as the term heresy, or heretic, is used. Lord Ariel is made out to be a sort of Galileo in his spirit of scientific rebellion.

At the very end, “The Authority” is mentioned, and you wouldn’t know that this represents a gnostic concept of God, but I guess this is setup for some further explication in the planned sequels.


42 posted on 12/11/2007 6:49:39 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: I still care

I don’t think Christians have “boycotted” this movie. They’re just not going, and encouraging their friends not to waste their money on it.


43 posted on 12/11/2007 6:52:16 PM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: I still care

Where the heck is the long-awaited sequel to Lion, Witch, Wardrobe? Isn’t it the works?


44 posted on 12/11/2007 6:53:48 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'm doing some reading on Pullman's life. Some personal issues there, leading to vitriolic hate... and not for churches per se, but for, literally, God...

Pullman and his younger brother went to live in Norfolk while their mother went to London to look for work. Shortly thereafter, Pullman's mother received a letter saying that her husband was to receive the Distinguished Flying Cross, an award that was presented to the family by Queen Elizabeth at Buckingham Palace. Later, Pullman discovered that his father, who had incurred gambling debts and was involved in extramarital affairs, was suspected of committing suicide by crashing his plane. Pullman wrote, "Sometimes I think he's really alive somewhere, in hiding, with a different name. I'd love to meet him."

When Pullman was nine, his mother married an airman friend of her late husband's.

Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/philip-pullman

45 posted on 12/11/2007 7:00:06 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

There are some great Christmas movies. Ones that are my “specials”, that I never miss come Christmas:

Going My Way
Christmas Carol with George C. Scott (The Alistair Sim
one is good too)
Harry Potter one (great Christmas atmosphere)
Christmas Story
The Polar Express (some of the Imaxs show this on Christmas. If you can find a 3D one, you are in for a treat)
The Man Who Came to Dinner
The First Home Alone
Chronicles of Narnia
If you want an action movie Die Hard

Animated Charlie Brown Christmas, Mr Magoo’s Christmas Carol (I still know all the songs... “We’re reprehensible...We’ll steal your pen...and pencible..”, the musical Snowman, and a very hard to find little video called “The Family Circle Christmas”


46 posted on 12/11/2007 8:41:24 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: I still care

Not “It’s a Wonderful Life”?


47 posted on 12/11/2007 9:05:58 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Huckabee asks if Mormons believe Jesus, devil are brothers)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

You know, I’ve seen that one so many times....


48 posted on 12/11/2007 10:33:34 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: VictoryGal
The first Star Wars is more religious-based, frankly.

Of course, in the first Star Wars movie the religion of the Force was deeply believed by most of the heroes (Luke, Obi Wan and Leia) and also by the main villain (Darth Vader), and the skeptics were equally divided with one hero being an agnostic (Han Solo) and the other main villain (Tarkin) being an atheist. It was also made clear that Vader was misusing the Force, while Obi Wan and Luke were treating the Force properly.

In The Golden Compass religion is simply the enemy of everything good.

49 posted on 12/12/2007 5:58:23 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Veto!

“Lion, Witch, Wardrobe”
I saw May 16th somewhere on one of the “Compass” threads.


50 posted on 12/12/2007 6:15:18 AM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: I still care

I hope the Star Trek remake bombs next Christmas myself.


51 posted on 12/12/2007 6:17:37 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Huckabee - Our Sanjaya!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Considering the spate of “evangelical athiesm” I’ve seen of late, I’m concluding that they DO believe in God - if they didn’t, they wouldn’t have anything to get all evangelical about. One has to _believe_ in _something_ to be that wound up & motivated to publish magazines, write children’s books, attend conferences, and generally loudly & enthusiastically tell everyone they can about it ... and I just can’t see void/nothing/absence/emptiness/zero being that interesting.


52 posted on 12/12/2007 6:32:02 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Gideon7
Yeah, that's just what I was talking about. Realizing the presumption of playing Junor Psychiatrist, I nevertheless can't help thinking that there's a HUGE load of hatred of God in the HDM series, even spilling over into a HUGE load of hatred of C.S. Lewis, based on an astonishingly distorted perception of both the Bible and the Narnia series, and I have to wonder where the sheer emotional fury comes from.

Parallels:

Now the question is, what happened to Philip Pullman when he was an adolescent which wounded him so badly he hated the male "authority" with a passion that lasted the rest of his life? Did his adored Anglical minister grandfather outrae him by dashing his youthful romance with some girl?

If you have any insights?

53 posted on 12/12/2007 6:48:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: I still care
Throwing a bunch of computer-generated antics and talking animals on the screen is not enough to garner a sizable audience.

I think this reflects a growing maturity of CG effects in Hollywood. It used to be people would go see a movie just to see the effects. Nowadays, the effects are just tools to be used in service to the storyline. If the storyline is not adequate, all the CG effects in the World are not going to make up for the void.

54 posted on 12/12/2007 8:41:16 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

It is not enough that the bear talks. People want to hear what the bear has to say.


55 posted on 12/12/2007 8:43:31 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: gridlock
It is not enough that the bear talks. People want to hear what the bear has to say.

'zackly.

56 posted on 12/12/2007 8:50:54 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: dynachrome
Ideology trumps profit for these guys.

For who? Chris Weitz? Who makes innocuous teen movies like American Pie? This was made to cash in on the fantasy market. There is no grand cinematic plot to undermine Christianity.
57 posted on 12/12/2007 12:36:17 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Maybe I should not have been so general with my comment, but in Pullman’s case I would believe so based on what he has said about Christianity and Catholicism in particular.


58 posted on 12/12/2007 1:27:37 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: dynachrome

Pullman doesn’t have the power to get sequels made.


59 posted on 12/12/2007 1:30:47 PM PST by Borges
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To: valkyrieanne

A good movie needs a good story, well told, with characters that you actually care about. Or at least a couple of those things, anyway. So many Hollywood movies really don’t have anything to offer other than special effects, car chases and big explosions.


60 posted on 12/12/2007 1:49:13 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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