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Current melting of Greenland's ice mimicks 1920s-1940s event
PhyOrg.com ^ | 2007-12-10 | Earle Holland

Posted on 12/10/2007 4:05:10 PM PST by sourcery

Two researchers spent months scouring through old expedition logs and reports, and reviewing 70-year-old maps and photos before making a surprising discovery. They found that the effects of the current warming and melting of Greenland 's glaciers that has alarmed the world's climate scientists occurred in the decades following an abrupt warming in the 1920s.

Their evidence reinforces the belief that glaciers and other bodies of ice are exquisitely hyper-sensitive to climate change and bolsters the concern that rising temperatures will speed the demise of that island's ice fields, hastening sea level rise.

The work, reported at this week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco , may help to discount critics' notion that the melting of Greenland 's glaciers is merely an isolated, regional event.

They recently recognized from using weather station records from the past century that temperatures in Greenland had warmed in the 1920s at rates equivalent to the recent past. But they hadn't confirmed that the island's glaciers responded to that earlier warming, until now.

“What's novel about this is that we found a wealth of information from low-tech sources that has been overlooked by most researchers,” explained Jason Box, an associate professor of geography at Ohio State University and a researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center. Many researchers, he says, rely heavily on information from satellites and other modern sources.

Undergraduate student Adam Herrington, co-author on this paper and a student in the School of Earth Sciences, spent weeks in the university's libraries and archives, scouring the faded, dusty books that contained the logs of early scientific expeditions, looking primarily for photos and maps of several of Greenland 's key glaciers.

“I must have paged through more than a hundred such volumes to get the data we needed for this study,” Herrington said.

They concentrated on three large glaciers flowing out from the central ice sheet towards the ocean – the Jakobshavn Isbrae, the Kangerdlugssuaq and the Helheim.

“These three glaciers are huge and collectively, they drain as much as 40 percent of the southern half of the ice sheet. All three have recently increased their speed as the temperature rose,” Box said, adding that the Kangerdlugssuaq, at 3.1 miles (5 kilometers) wide is half-again as wide as New York's Manhattan Island .

Digging through the old data, Herrington found a map from 1932 and an aerial photo from 1933 that documented how, during a warm period, the Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier lost a piece of floating ice that was nearly the size of New York 's Manhattan Island .

“That parallels what we know about recent changes,” Box said. “In 2002 to 2003, that same glacier retreated another 3.1 miles (5 kilometers), and that it tripled its speed between 2000 and 2005.”

The fact that recent changes to Greenland's ice sheet mirror its behavior nearly 70 years ago is increasing researchers' confidence and alarm as to what the future holds. Recent warming around the frozen island actually lags behind the global average warming pattern by about 1-2 degrees C but if it fell into synch with global temperatures in a few years, the massive ice sheet might pass its “threshold of viability” – a tipping point where the loss of ice couldn't be stopped.

“Once you pass that threshold,” Box said, “the current science suggests that it would become an irreversible process. And we simply don't know how fast that might happen, how fast the ice might disappear.”

Greenland 's ice sheet contains at least 10 percent of the world's freshwater AND it has been losing more than 24 cubic miles (100 cubic kilometers) of ice annually for the last five years and 2007 was a record year for glacial melting there.

Source: Ohio State University, by Earle Holland


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1 posted on 12/10/2007 4:05:12 PM PST by sourcery
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To: sourcery

LOL

It happened before without ill effect and without catastrophic events, yet it bolsters the theory?


2 posted on 12/10/2007 4:07:47 PM PST by Darksheare (Cannibal Soup, a meal within yourself.)
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To: sourcery
The work, reported at this week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco , may help to discount critics' notion that the melting of Greenland 's glaciers is merely an isolated, regional event.

Are they really that stupid? The findings of this study absolutely DO NOT help the "antrhopogenic global warming" case AT ALL. Instead, it adds yet more evidence that the recent warming is neither unusual nor unprecedented. It's happened before, to the same extent, and at the same rate. In fact, it's been worse!

3 posted on 12/10/2007 4:09:07 PM PST by sourcery (If Hillary is the next President, she may also be the last.)
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To: sourcery

So, if greenhouse gases are responsible, why didn’t it continue?


4 posted on 12/10/2007 4:09:09 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Darksheare
It happened before without ill effect and without catastrophic events, yet it bolsters the theory?

So it cooled from 1940's to the 1980's despite the massive build up of man made CO2?

5 posted on 12/10/2007 4:10:02 PM PST by Always Right
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To: sourcery
...it adds yet more evidence that the recent warming is neither unusual nor unprecedented.

I don't know about you but I never let facts get in the way...never...ever.

6 posted on 12/10/2007 4:12:21 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: sourcery

It just shows you the that we have some big scammers today making a lot of money off their scams.


7 posted on 12/10/2007 4:12:45 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: sourcery
" . . . the massive ice sheet might pass its “threshold of viability” – a tipping point where the loss of ice couldn't be stopped. Once you pass that threshold,” Box said, “the current science suggests that it would become an irreversible process."

To me, their research suggests the very opposite - that the melting process comes and goes, and is mostly unrelated to human factors. And how they can claim the melting process at some point would become "irreversible" is beyond me.
8 posted on 12/10/2007 4:15:39 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Darksheare

...and if they are so sensitive to warming, then it follows that small cooling events will quickly rebuild the ice sheets.

The P-38, Glacier Girl, was buried under 268 feet of ice after 50 years in Greenland.


9 posted on 12/10/2007 4:18:52 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: sourcery

This is just outlying data. Ignore it. Besides, the researchers put that face saving statement in at the end to save their reseach grants. Nothing here.


10 posted on 12/10/2007 4:19:06 PM PST by saganite
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To: Steve_Seattle
The “threshold of viability” of man made global warming melted away a long time ago....The scam is becoming more visible every day.
11 posted on 12/10/2007 4:19:37 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: sourcery
The fact that recent changes to Greenland's ice sheet mirror its behavior nearly 70 years ago is increasing researchers' confidence and alarm as to what the future holds.

WTF?

Recent warming around the frozen island actually lags behind the global average warming pattern by about 1-2 degrees C but if it fell into synch with global temperatures in a few years, the massive ice sheet might pass its “threshold of viability” – a tipping point where the loss of ice couldn't be stopped.

Okay, so this place doesn't even fit the GW mold, but "if it fell into synch", we are all hosed?

Again, WTF?

12 posted on 12/10/2007 4:19:48 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Always Right
So it cooled from 1940's to the 1980's despite the massive build up of man made CO2?

Bears repeating. You have broken the code. How could this possibly be if man-made CO2 causes global warming?

13 posted on 12/10/2007 4:19:51 PM PST by plain talk
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To: sourcery; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

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14 posted on 12/10/2007 4:20:06 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: MediaMole

They’ll spin it, they always do.


15 posted on 12/10/2007 4:21:08 PM PST by Darksheare (Cannibal Soup, a meal within yourself.)
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To: sourcery

I wonder how long it will take the scientists who made this “discovery” to be ostracized by their peers for not following group-think science?


16 posted on 12/10/2007 4:21:34 PM PST by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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To: sourcery
we simply don't know how fast that might happen

But, we know we have to ship $85 billion a year to countries with little visible economy.

17 posted on 12/10/2007 4:21:46 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Always Right

Let’s see, p-38 buried on glacier in Greenland.
Check.

Warming trend that existed from 1920s to 1940’s.
Check.

It would appear so.
Despite all that coal we burned in the 1800’s and early 1900’s.


18 posted on 12/10/2007 4:22:30 PM PST by Darksheare (Cannibal Soup, a meal within yourself.)
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To: sourcery
Interesting...

No mention of the fact it happened all by itself only 80 years ago...

Or that when it happened before it wasn’t due to man...

That just perhaps it is normal feature of nature...

And that the trend didn’t continue and end life as we know it on earth...

A few little details that would seem to matter in the scheme of things...

19 posted on 12/10/2007 4:23:10 PM PST by DB
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To: Darksheare
"It happened before without ill effect and without catastrophic events, yet it bolsters the theory?"

That's exactly what I was thinking? Something is screwy with their logic.

20 posted on 12/10/2007 4:24:01 PM PST by avacado
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