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North, South Republicans may be set for breakup (Update at #64)
The Clarion-Ledger | December 9, 2007 | Richard Dortch

Posted on 12/09/2007 2:30:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: roamer_1

“It is more a matter of “Northern” and “Left Coast” RINOs against the will of the rest of the country.”

Unfortunately there is also an ample supply of Southern RINO’s. I’m surprised you hadn’t noticed.


41 posted on 12/09/2007 4:57:33 PM PST by devere
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To: MSF BU
From his description I probably ought to be from Mississippi, at least given my family background, but I consider myself a Reagan Republican [...]

But the exception proves the rule... My family is from the rust belt/ Great Lakes, and I was born in Chicago, though we are staunch Conservatives, all.

Yet Conservatism as a way of life is far more accepted in the South, Midwest, and West, as is easily determined by where the "red states" are, as I am sure you can see, even if you are surrounded on every side in NH.

42 posted on 12/09/2007 5:02:19 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: JSDude1; PJ-Comix; All
"once again another southern (anti-southern) biggot is heard from you are RIGHT! Why did you even post this TRASH!?"

Why does P.J.Comix post the Democratic Underground DUmmie Funnies? "Know Your Enemy" and a good laugh are both valid reasons, IMO.

43 posted on 12/09/2007 5:08:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: devere
Unfortunately there is also an ample supply of Southern RINO’s. I’m surprised you hadn’t noticed.

And Western, too, but I see that as resulting from a reflex action, just pulling the lever for the big "R", which didn't happen as much in 06 as you might notice- Many Blue Dog Dems got in because the South/West/Mdwest no longer trust the Republicans and they are now paying attention.

There is also a certain "city-creep", where mega-cities are beginning to influence the state- Missouri is getting hard to keep because of the population of St. Louis and Kansas City. But Missouri, outside of the city, is still much as it has always been.

45 posted on 12/09/2007 5:11:21 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: JCEccles

You have no concept of shame whatsoever.


46 posted on 12/09/2007 5:13:24 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: JCEccles

I have no idea why a serial poster of personal abuse like you is permitted to remain here.


48 posted on 12/09/2007 5:15:42 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: jammer

Because it was clear from the arrogant tone of the author that he was merely attempting to engage in more Southern bashing and employing the usual elitist, bigoted stereotypes. Simply put, he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.


49 posted on 12/09/2007 5:24:13 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: StatenIsland
Yeah, I agree. I think the geographical nature is artificial and not wholly accurate. And the characterization of Southerners in the article is ridiculous (I'm a native Texan of over 50 years, so I think that applies to me).

I was replying to a statement, however, that the first paragraph or so gave enough information to show the writer as being...loony, I think he said. I disagree that that can be inferred.

There IS a palpable divide, however. It's just that the mixture isn't confined to two mixes, and the divisive issues aren't necessarily geographic. I agree.

50 posted on 12/09/2007 5:42:18 PM PST by jammer
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To: devere

Sorry, I didn’t read your reply before writing #50. Please see it.


51 posted on 12/09/2007 5:43:16 PM PST by jammer
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I agree with you--he is an idjit. I was objecting to forming an opinion before the fourth paragraph. I'll put my education (formal and informal) up against his and eclipse him. Probably you could do the same.

What I knee-jerked about was his characterization of Bush as preppie, etc. That's the first I've seen of that and I agree.

I was dove hunting in central Texas a few weeks ago with people I had grown up with, roomed in college with, etc. They are all very conservative Republicans, and all but two are either doctors, dentists, or large corporation VPs. One is a working man, and one is an oil man who bought a lot of oil leases when oil was $8 /bbl. He has 10 times the money the rest of us have put together, now.

Anyway, I hadn't seen them in years and was amazed to hear the vituperation about Bush being a "Texan." The summation was that he went to "Yankee" prep school in the 5th grade, and only returned to Texas to go bankrupt and win the governorship on his dad's name and the disgust with Ma Richards.

Whatever your assessment of their judgment, that thinking is a real phenomenon, and there is a huge divide.

52 posted on 12/09/2007 5:53:23 PM PST by jammer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From what I can discern, we’ve never been together. If it weren’t for the South, the Free Republic wouldn’t be so free.


53 posted on 12/09/2007 5:57:24 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: jammer

What they need to do is a critical analysis of the split in the party that is more along CLASS lines rather than geography. In my state of TN, we’ve had a string of rich, elitist RINOs elected to office that have little to do with the base Conservative voters of middle and working class. Our recent election for Mayor, which was between a rich leftist from a snooty neighborhood vs. a moderate former Democrat Congressman of more modest means saw the divisions quite stark. The rich GOP areas voted for the leftist while the working class areas like mine (a mixed-race area, which ironically elected a middle-class Republican to the local Council) voted for the moderate Democrat. The middle class split the difference and they elected the rich liberal. Our local leftist newspaper didn’t much point out the stark differences (of course, had the liberal been a wealthy Republican Conservative who won, they would’ve blasting him as to how out of touch he was with the working and middle class).

Most of those rich folks do not have to deal with the problems the transitional middle and working class folks have to. They can effectively insulate themselves from problems, they have wealthy schools, excellent police, etc., while us folks out here living in neighborhoods that were formerly safe and respectable have to deal with the invading hordes and soaring crime rate and mass-scale drops in our property values. It’s become a nightmare over the past decade, and now having to live next door to illegals that have no respect for the law, are insulated from having the cops ask them if they’re residents, and generally can get away with murder, this won’t become a “serious” problem to those wealthy folks until they start invading THEIR turf, and then it will become suddenly “important.”

As I said, the author of the article is well out of touch with the real dynamics and the true reality.


54 posted on 12/09/2007 6:05:18 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
’ Northern Republicans are best typified by the Bushes: Ivy League-educated old-money families from the Northeast. These are the Republicans who wear designer fashions, go yachting, sip wine on the veranda and call their parents “Mummy” and “Daddums.” ‘

Pure nonsense. The very people he describe as being Republicans I have seen in overwhelming numbers as Democrats. I’ve met them at black tie events, dinner parties etc., etc.
The vast majority of Republicans I know are working class and upper middle class working people.
- “ Daddums “ ? Never have I heard such a word in my entire Yankee life.

55 posted on 12/09/2007 7:13:55 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: goldstategop

Nowadays, most of the Republicans in New England are really people who inherited “old money”. They did not like Democrats’ attempts to redistribute their wealth. Other than that, they are liberals.


56 posted on 12/09/2007 7:29:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; wardaddy; ejonesie22; bkwells; DogwoodSouth; WileyPink; jmax; Islander7; ...

Mississippi ping


57 posted on 12/10/2007 1:10:51 AM PST by WKB (FDT= Alabama's song from1982 He's "Close Enough To Perfect For Me")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Good analysis.


58 posted on 12/10/2007 3:49:41 AM PST by jammer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Richard Dortch is an idiots idiot...

His filth is published a little too often down here.

It is funny, we are all a bunch of hicks and morons, but he chooses to live in Jackson.

59 posted on 12/10/2007 3:53:17 AM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Richard Dortch is a class A douche. I was visiting with David Hampton recently. He's the Editorial Director (I think that's his title) at the C-L.

David's a liberal, but an honest one. Over beers at Hal and Mal's we talked politics for a couple hours. He told me then I could write a guest column, though it'll be limited to 600 words.

I now have a topic. I'm e-mailing David today to let him know a column will be forthcoming.

Since he's an honest liberal, he will have seen Dortch's column for the straw-man bigotry that it is. Stay tuned.

60 posted on 12/10/2007 10:28:21 AM PST by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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