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To: Rikstir
The US, in a dominant position after WW2, dismissed this advice and established Israel on the lands of former Palestine.

I would not object to a lot of what you say about the wars. It's too easy to inflate the importance of the US in WW1, e.g., and neglect the benefit of Britain trying to control a savage, medieval culture, empire building notwithstanding.
But come on! Claiming that modern Israel was US conspiracy?? Hello? Have you heard of the Balfour Declaration?! Then there was also the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement. Later the Peel Commission (more Brits). Finally, the UN Mandate that pushed things over the edge, and only at that point can you claim US a great influence. Just because Britain wanted to flip-flop and bail out in 1946, you can't claim it was all a US idea!
No doubt, some would have preferred a different "Final Solution" that would have been "neater" (your preference?), but there was no GOOD, simple solution, IMHO, and no clean hands, least of all in Arabia.
Get a handle on your condescending Brit attitude about history, "Mate"!

66 posted on 12/11/2007 8:21:30 AM PST by Nevermore
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To: Nevermore

You have made a fair point. I was merely trying to explain to your learned colleague about the history of the middle east, after Mr RKV managed to lay the blame for Iraq at the feet of the UK. I was, in an effort to be obstructive, merely reciprocating the gesture and blamed the US for Israel and all the ensuing madness. Of course it was decided by ‘all’ parties, but I know what books tell me and Britain was not in a position to really object to anything the US had to say on the matter. We preferred Uganda, but there is nothing to say that a similar situation wouldn’t have unfolded in Africa instead of the Middle East.

We all need to deal with the threat that Iran poses, and name calling and insults aren’t going to do the trick. The arrogance shown on this thread in rejecting alternative information vis a vis the nuclear issue, is scary and isolationist. Perhaps when you all vote for Hillary Clinton you can withdraw all we wont have to be bothered by your bragadacio for a hundred years or so. We will suffer for it of course, as the world needs a benign US influence, but to be honest the way we are viewed on these threads by supposed ‘allies’ makes me want to focus more on allies who actually give a s**t about what we say.


68 posted on 12/11/2007 9:58:00 AM PST by Rikstir
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