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To: IIntense
Bird Jenkins: Most parents...would take their child's side of any serious conflict, even when the child is clearly in the wrong...

IIntense: Can you prove that is true?

Of course I can't prove that's true, it's my opinion.

If you cannot, I suggest you re-write it as your opinion of immoral, dishonest parents. Then I could agree with you.

I don't necessarily think that a parent who takes the side of his child even when the child is wrong is inherently immoral or dishonest. Flawed perhaps, but aren't all human beings are flawed? I think that a parent's love for a child often clouds their judgment in such matters. Any time a person is emotionally invested in someone or something, it's hard for them to be logical/rational/objective. I believe it's the rare parent who could hand his child over to the authorities to be imprisoned and maintain an attitude of "the kid made his bed, now he has to lie in it." If you're talking about an act of vandalism or petty theft, I agree most parents will do what's right and take the side of the authorities/victim. But when the kid's looking at hard time, most parents will do whatever it takes to keep that child from losing his freedom. Is it morally wrong? Yes. But no less true.

Bird Jenkins: We've had almost exclusively White Anglo Saxon men as presidents.

IIntense: (Anglo-Saxon?) So? The majority of my family is Catholic and John F. Kennedy was the sole Catholic president.

My point is that it's not improper that we have had mostly WASP Presidents, as that has historically been an accurate representation of the rest of the country. That is not to say that a minority candidate should never be considered, only that there is no reason to call shenanigans if a majority-black population happens to elect mostly black leaders. A majority-white population elects mostly white leaders, it's the same phenomenon.

IIntense: I believe I have enough sense to want a strong, no-nonsense leader for our country...a moral, honest, experienced person with a determination to fight the forces, abroad and at home, which want to destroy us. Hopefully that person will surface to become our next president.

I agree with you. I want the same thing.

197 posted on 12/13/2007 9:01:34 PM PST by Bird Jenkins
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To: Bird Jenkins
I don't necessarily think that a parent who takes the side of his child even when the child is wrong is inherently immoral or dishonest.

If a parent strongly values morality...honesty being included...we have to admire those who refuse to sacrfice their beliefs, even to get their child off the hook. Call it tough love.

Yet, those without those innate values have no problem whatsoever in telling lies to protect their child. Even some people who hold moral values can weaken when it involves their own offspring.

The "tough love" parents deserve admiration, IMO: they are actually trying to save their child from destroying his/her life.

Let us accept that we won't see eye-to-eye in every instance.

199 posted on 12/13/2007 11:14:31 PM PST by IIntense
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