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To: Carbonado

well...funny you mention that about public debate trumping anything...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936593/posts

Seems only 18% are buying into it.

DARN! Bush out-flanked his detractors once again!

That stupid Harvard AND Yale educated hill-billy! LOL


52 posted on 12/08/2007 7:05:02 AM PST by tpanther
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To: tpanther

Eactly, I heard those poll results last night. People constantly “misunder estimate” Bush. Also clearly many of these conservatives are too young and have an idealized version of the possible. For example:

1. A Randite gold bug, Alan Greenspan, was swallowed up by the Fed bureaucracy with ease. He barely if at all mentioned his personal views while Chairman. Rice is hardly an exception and the two state solution is already defacto, maybe if it becomes dejure the Israel can hold the Pali government accountable for raids over international borders. And you just can not fire everyone in a bureaucracy.

2. Bush has accomplished many of the same things as Reagan. He cut tax rates. He built up the military. He also did not have many of the major failings of Reagan. He did not go along with a huge tax increase like Reagan. He did not cut and run in the middle east when the going got tough as Reagan did. He did not sign on to an immigration reform that would get enough Dim votes to pass Congress like Reagan did. He has with just a year left not had a major scandle like Reagan did and as you know it is not for a lack of the Dims trying to invent one out of whole cloth which is what the contra situation was.

3. Bush is not that inarticulate. Sure he is not a professional former actor nor did he spend his ENTIRE career as a politician. But how measured might you be facing a press corp that has give up objectivity and completely gone partisan. How articulate would sound if the entire focus was on any fumbling on your part. The press of facing a hostile audience that you know will spin everything against you has to be huge.

As someone else said in this thread, the Beltway has been like this for decades. The American people are smart enough to understand that. Hence as the polling seems to show, they recognize a partisan snow job when one is delivered. This will make the Dims even more insane. Every thing they think they control the press, the bureaucracy, the Universities, the public is willing to discount when it issues spin.


63 posted on 12/08/2007 9:33:00 AM PST by JLS
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To: tpanther
Well its early in the story arc.

Lets see what percentage feel the same way after the Lib media is done with this latest scripted myth campaign. The whole utility of public communication is, I fear, well beyond Bush’s thought process and skill level. I don’t expect to hear any effective counter to this coming from the White House. The conservative talking heads will have to do all of the heavy lifting yet again.

Bush isn’t stupid, but he and his administration are inept. Pretending it is otherwise won’t make it true.

64 posted on 12/08/2007 9:39:30 AM PST by Carbonado
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