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To: sageb1

“I guess what I’m trying to ascertain is did he consider reform before the right was knowledgeable enough about Islam to demand it? “

Personally, I don’t see the Right “demanding it”. And Dr. Jasser is a member of the Right himself.

Who cares how many yrs ago he started writing about reform? If he’s thought this way for 20 yrs, but didn’t write about it, are you then going to fault him for not having the time to write or being able to get the MSM to publish his writings? And what if he came to this conclusion a fews yrs ago? Who cares as long as he’s out there speaking about it now?

“I’ve always thought that the discussion had to include demands for change, whereas there were many who thought that appeasement through acceptance of whatever Muslims said to be true was the only necessary avenue.”

Dr Jasser has never been in favor of “appeasement through acceptance of whatever Muslims said to be true was the only necessary avenue.”
Maybe that’s your problem with him. You still don’t really understand or trust him, no matter how many times you say just the opposite. Because he is muslim.

This article includes his discovery of what was and is being taught in some of the mosques. He’s had numerous run-ins with CAIR types which have included threats, needless to say.
Does he think that radicals/fanatics within his religion are trying to influence the majority? Yes. That’s a fact. Is he trying to make a ‘call to arms’ to the majority with the intention that they realize that changes within their religion need to be made. Yes.

We need a lot more Dr Jasser’s. And we need a lot more people who aren’t muslims, supporting him.


38 posted on 12/08/2007 10:07:07 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: nuconvert

What I don’t trust is those in our administration and state department who have shown naivete in choosing groups and individuals to work with.

When what we hear is that non-Muslims have to prove their good intentions to Muslims, that does not exactly create goodwill. I don’t think that is true and yes, I do believe it is the other way around. Is it really so difficult to understand why the majority of non-Muslim Americans do not want to hear call to prayer when that sound brings an immediate vision of the nightmare of 911? Is it so difficult to understand that when encouraged to learn about Islam, we did, and we now understand it to be contrary to Western values, specifically in the area of religious freedom where such freedom is an ambiguity in Islam? I did not undertake a study of Islam because of 911. My study began because I distrusted U.N.-enamored theosophists, many of whom are Sufis. It is a fact that the U.N. has anti-Christian anti-Western interests.

Mr. Jasser has his hands full certainly, but perhaps his most important contribution can be in the area of creating a new desire to assimilate. Organizations such as CAIR are doing exactly the opposite.

My religion is a way of life, too. But it does not require behaviors that are at odds with the melting pot that is America, a country formed on the basis of Judeo-Christian principles. Nor is at odds with our most precious documents. The Qur’an, however, does conflict with those documents. The Qur’an is a supremacist, separatist, bigoted work that lends itself too easily to the promotion of violent acts.

It is unbelievable and unacceptable to me that it is allowed to be used in its current form in this country (or anywhere) as an instructional guide for children without some sort of monitoring.

There is no single individual in all of history who has been the subject of as much scrutiny as Jesus, and his message rings so true, that whether one is a Christian or not, one cannot discount its goodness. I doubt that the life and legacy of Muhammad will be able to withstand that amount of scrutiny.

Recently, Mormonism has become an issue. Joseph Smith fancied himself to be the second coming of Muhammad. Perhaps that is one reason the LDS remains so secretive. I have very distant cousins who followed Smith. One was actually a polygamist who was appointed to the High Council by Smith himself. Smith’s story is similar to Muhammad’s. Thankfully, they remain a fairly small sect, although with those whose belief in polygamy kept them “underground,” we have seen criminal behavior by the likes of Warren Jeffs and others.

I also believe that groups such as the NAACP have outlived their original purpose and create division and separatism. La Raza does the same. So my concern does not just lie with religion, but with the growing political power of all such groups that are more engaged in promoting their own interests, rather than the interests of America.

“Is he trying to make a ‘call to arms’ to the majority with the intention that they realize that changes within their religion need to be made. Yes.”

I agree that is a good development.

“We need a lot more Dr Jasser’s. And we need a lot more people who aren’t muslims, supporting him.”

I do support him, however I will continue to remain skeptical until reform is deemed necessary by the majority of Muslims and until I can see positive results from such reform.

What you are unaware of is that I have actually encouraged many others to read Jasser, to visit his website, and that I’ve promoted his ideas as a first step in reform, but you are correct in your assessment of my distaste for Islam in general.


39 posted on 12/08/2007 5:06:49 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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