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More about the rally in 2004 here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124942/posts

1 posted on 12/07/2007 4:44:10 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: Valin; AdmSmith

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2 posted on 12/07/2007 4:50:03 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: nuconvert
You hit this one out of the park, Dr. Jasser!
4 posted on 12/07/2007 5:26:19 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: nuconvert
Zuhdi Jasser has been on Glenn Beck's tv show several times. He is always very well spoken and denounces these types of muslims as people who are hijacking his religion.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has to have personal protection for his family and himself. These nutjob extremists can't be liking what he is saying.

5 posted on 12/07/2007 5:38:52 AM PST by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: nuconvert
"I'd rather be dead than removed from an airplane in handcuffs."

Too bad the TSA didn't think of that first.

6 posted on 12/07/2007 5:42:13 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: nuconvert

There must be some sort of parallel effort to dumb down people who follow islam (especially in this country...

Where if they believe that when the next attack occurs in this country, that they will not suffer any serious reprisals...

You would think that some, like Mr. Jasser, would rally with him and get these types of imams to change their tune, before everyone suffers...

But as I figure it out...I do not think there is sufficient courage within the rank and file of the followers of islam to make those fundamental changes and condemnations...


7 posted on 12/07/2007 5:44:57 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: nuconvert

This is the Minnesota Guys, right? and not the ‘six Muslims who were in the US Army who caused trouble on a plane and were removed.’?? Hard to keep the thug-groups straight, sorry.


8 posted on 12/07/2007 5:53:51 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: nuconvert
Perhaps this was the reason why the Prophet Muhammad and his companions sought to avoid creation of the same religious intermediary class that today CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Imams Federation presume to fill.

Still upholding Muhammad as a righteous one. Not buying the good muslim spin. Muslims lie.

9 posted on 12/07/2007 5:54:17 AM PST by existtoexcel
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To: nuconvert

BUMP!


10 posted on 12/07/2007 6:23:41 AM PST by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery! She will redefine "How bad can it get?")
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To: nuconvert
There may be moderate muslims, but there is no moderate islam.

The good doctor is a Trojan horse in our midst.

See tagline.

L

12 posted on 12/07/2007 6:32:50 AM PST by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: nuconvert
Some of us had CAIR figured out a long time ago.

Cheers,

knewshound
13 posted on 12/07/2007 6:44:34 AM PST by knews_hound (I drive a Hybrid. It burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: nuconvert

This is a good authoritative overview. Especially in naming the organizations involved. Like other posters I firmly believe the Flying Imams conspired with CAIR in advance of the cafefully-planned incident.

The author did cite that the obvious overreaching bullying by CAIR and the gang has given their victim-status a deathblow in public opinion and caused other muslims-in-america to backpeddle from them. However, as long as the Administration and various elected officials kowtow to them; as long as their Saudi gravy keeps flowing and as long as the lazy MSM keeps going to them for easy quotes they will not be going away.

Like everybody else here, I am sick and tired of this magical, wink-wink, nudge-nudge de facto exemption that mosques and black churches get from the IRS rules that enforce separation of church and state in our country and I would like to see this actually imposed evenhandedly for once.

The author makes clear—in case we did not already know—that there is no Vatican-style hirearchy in Islam and these islamist organizations are doing their best to try and impose one in America. I’m not going to pick and parse ‘ol Peace-be-upon-his-ass’s quotes, just say that there appears to be an opportunity in America for a democratic, secular, non-violent islam to evolve but a little enforcement action on the part of the gummint would be most welcom (i.e. kick out the foreign hate-mongers, crack down on the terrorist money-launderers and chop off the saudi wahabist tentacles).


17 posted on 12/07/2007 8:30:51 AM PST by sinanju
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To: nuconvert

Ping to read later


18 posted on 12/07/2007 9:13:22 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: nuconvert; Alamo-Girl; metmom; marron; xzins; MHGinTN; YHAOS; TXnMA
Tolerance implies superiority while pluralism implies equality. Recognition that if government enacts the literal laws of God rather than natural or human law, then government becomes God and abrogates religion and the personal nature of the relationship with God.... Freedom and liberty are prerequisites to bring an individual close to God through religious practice free from coercion.

Great post, nuconvert! I'm all for religious pluralism, not just religious tolerance. It's what America is all about, what the First Amendment is all about. I'm encouraged to learn that there are Muslims in America who value the American concept of the separation of church and state. This key tenet of American political order is a good thing to keep in mind, in the run-up to the 2008 election. I thought Romney's speech yesterday was spot-on in articulating this very theme.

21 posted on 12/07/2007 11:11:05 AM PST by betty boop (Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: holdonnow

FYI, Mark....


22 posted on 12/07/2007 11:41:50 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: nuconvert; sageb1; alexsmithers; beaversmom; b4its2late; BigTom85; BikerJoe; Brad's Gramma; ...

Flying Imams and more.

Good read by a Muslim who gets it. Thanks to Sageb1 for the heads up.

“Countering Islamism and combating Islamist terrorism should be a greater public responsibility for the organized American Muslim community than the obsession with civil rights and victimization in which current Islamist organizations engage. Americans living in fear for their security are looking to moderate, traditional Muslims to lead this fight. The credibility of the Muslim community suffers because groups such as CAIR, ISNA, and the North American Imams Federation deny the interplay between Islamism and terrorism.”


27 posted on 12/07/2007 3:28:31 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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