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To: ItsOurTimeNow

How sad - can you not believe that Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and the way back to our Heavenly Father, and still believe that those who haven’t had the opportunity to learn about Him can have discourse with our Heavenly Father? God loves us, all of us, and He doesn’t neglect those who haven’t been taught about Jesus Christ. And you’re so wrong on what “Mormons” believe about the Savior. Of course He is a God.


86 posted on 12/06/2007 9:45:13 AM PST by Nicole5
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To: Nicole5
Of course He is a God.

It's in the "a" where LDS parts theologically from Protestants and Catholics. That and we humans becoming new gods.

I wouldn't vote against someone just because they're LDS, but I think Romney tries here, like many LDS, to diffuse the differences - they are quite stark in actuality.

106 posted on 12/06/2007 10:04:43 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Nicole5
>>can you not believe that Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and the way back to our Heavenly Father, and still believe that those who haven’t had the opportunity to learn about Him can have discourse with our Heavenly Father?<<

It's not *my* belief. It's scripture.

Matthew 11:27b - "and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

John 5:22-24 - "The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 - "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

No one - NO ONE goes to the Father except through the Son, Jesus Christ.

>>God loves us, all of us,<<

Not exactly:

Psalm 11:5 - "The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence."

John 3:18-19 - "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light becausetheir works were evil.

>>who haven’t had the opportunity to learn about Him<<

Men's conscience bears witness to belief in God, but because of sin, he suppresses the truth. Ignorance is no excuse.

Romans 1:18-20 - "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

2 Thess 1:5-10 - "This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

Acts 17:30-31 - "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

Of course He is a God.

He is the ONLY God, and He is the ONLY way to the Father.

108 posted on 12/06/2007 10:12:02 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ('Post Tenebras Lux '- It's not a breakfast cereal!)
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To: Nicole5

I wanted to add one more thing, regarding the lost and their ability to discourse with the Father:

Proverbs 15:8 - “The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, But the prayer of the upright is His delight.”

The lost cannot discourse with God unless they approach through the intercessory blood of Christ. If they’re approaching through Christ, then they’re not lost.

Sin separates the lost from God, and only Christ bridges the gap. Without Christ, there is no communication between God and the sinner.

Romans 3:10ff states that there are NONE righteous, and NONE who seek after God. He is perfect, and we are fallen - only through Christ’s righteousness can we approach the Father.


119 posted on 12/06/2007 10:24:39 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ('Post Tenebras Lux '- It's not a breakfast cereal!)
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