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To: MHGinTN

“Typical of a deceitful mormonism apologist to try and obfuscate that Mormonism teaches God the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth was once a man in a fleshly body who became exalted through His own efforts at maintaining righteous behavior ...”

That is not the doctrine of the church and you have had that made clear to you time and again, so it hard for me to not see YOU as the one being deceitful, on this and many other issues.

Clearly you are terribly upset that Mitt hit this out of the park. I think you better get used to that feeling.


195 posted on 12/06/2007 1:55:05 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig; Elsie; Colofornian; Greg F; FastCoyote; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Osage Orange; xzins; ...
Well, let's post the LDS founding materials and speeches. Then we shall see who seeks to deceive.

“God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man ...” (Journal of Discourses).

“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become” (Millennial Star, Vol. 54).

“Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the eternal father was once a mortal man who passed through the school of earth-life similar to that through which we are now passing. He became God - an exalted being, through obedience to the same eternal gospel truth that we are given opportunity today to obey” (The Gospel Through the Ages : Milton R. Hunter).

“Remember that God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child and mortal like we are and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement: has moved forward and overcome until He has arrived at the point where He now is” (Journal of Discourses).

God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (D&C 130:22).

God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345 God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)

God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)

"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

In a revelation dated April 2, 1843, Smith provides one of the classic LDS formulations concerning God, D&C 130:22:

22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
“We believe this not because it is the clear teaching of the Bible but because it was the personal experience of the prophet Joseph Smith in his first vision and because the information is further clarified for us in modern revelation.” Craig L. Blomberg and Steven E. Robinson, How Wide the Divide? (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1997), p. 78.

Want more, Grig?

198 posted on 12/06/2007 2:10:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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