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To: Aliska

“”Why don’t they have metal detectors at the malls? They do last I knew at the main place I buy groceries and another supermarket in a fringe part of town, couldn’t miss them, had to walk through a metal hoop every time you entered the store. I don’t know how well they work, but that made me feel a little safer, although I don’t spook that easily, and it could give you a false sense of security.””


aliska, I think you will find that the devices you describe are not “incoming metal detectors”.. Rather, they are outgoing security tag alerters. If you have not had the security tag removed or disabled, the passage by/thru the detector will set off alarms.. A theft preventer..

How could you get the shopping carts past these devices w/o setting off the alarm every time one went by??


125 posted on 12/06/2007 12:44:55 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: UPcrawfish
Rather, they are outgoing security tag alerters.

Thanks, didn't think of it that way. Stores at the malls have alarms for that, and now that you mention it, I *think* I have heard them going off in my supermarket. What triggers them? The shopping carts would be a big issue. Even though they are stored in the vestibule or outside, you have to grab one and go through into the store and wheel the cart out again.

I agree, that would be ideal. How does a free society go about doing that and remain free? I mean free, not the condition we're currently living in.

We have lost so many of our freedoms incrementally. How free are we when every day we have to worry about thugs (if we let ourselves)? Not just us, our loved ones. Now we have time bombs taking out innocent people in public places. I think it started about the 60's with that Texas Tower incident. I remember then talk about "copycats". These reports plant seeds in the minds of the unstable, a few of which will act out much later. Should we stop reporting them? I don't think so. I like to know the name and family background of the perp. Having said that, once it is known, start referring to "the killer" like one poster said. This kid's photo was splashed on the front page of our local paper website. Just what he wanted.

I can't just shake my head. We have got to find some answers. A start would be prosecuting adults who don't properly secure their firearms even if common sense tells us they will get one another way. I can't imagine a kid in my generation doing something like that, so I grew up with people just stashing them somewhere. Usually that was ok. Kids were told by their parents not to mess with them. Then my husband's 9-year-old cousin got shot and killed playing at some neighbor's. I was taught how to shoot from a young age, had my cap guns, clearly knew the difference, etc. I never knew where our family guns were stored as a child! Now even kids have foiled home invaders because they knew where the gun was and how to load and use it. Or at least tried. I don't recommend that either, but if push comes to shove, I would be glad if one of mine saved the rest of the family that way.

At least if a sicko kid gets a gun on the streets, parents/adults wouldn't be culpable, as I now believe they should if they are careless. I would cut a little slack for people who have to carry in their line of work, come home tired, and tragedy. But maybe habitually locking it up first thing, like a practice exercise, every time, would help prevent some of the latter.

I don't necessarily think a lot of security guards are necessarily that stable either, especially the younger ones, unless they pass a psychological test and have police accredited training.

Once you start brainstorming, you can come up with so many different scenarios, it does make it complicated.

126 posted on 12/06/2007 1:27:16 PM PST by Aliska
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