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This is an Excerpt of a very lengthy read......

1 posted on 12/05/2007 7:27:50 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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More...towards the end

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UPDATE II

Great interview by Dennis Prager of Michael Ledeen and Ronald Kessler about the NIE and Iran

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Michael's view is that this document is a policy document masquerading as a intelligence document.  Michael also notes that the real intelligence officials, not State Department diplomats (the writers of this NIE), all dissent to this document as evidenced by this segment of the document:
We judge with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years. (Because of intelligence gaps discussed elsewhere in this Estimate, however, DOE and the NIC assess with only moderate confidence that the halt to those activities represents a halt to Iran's entire nuclear weapons program.)
NIC is the National Intelligence Council:
2 posted on 12/05/2007 7:31:42 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good and important post—as I suspected, very strong reason to doubt the reliability of this report. Written by a few people who have a very strong track record of opposing the Admin. relying on a single source they’ve never been able to interview. Sounds like Global Warming Determination of Truthiness Criteria to me.


4 posted on 12/05/2007 7:41:02 AM PST by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That was my assessment when I first heard about this yesterday.

I just finished the book “the Looming Tower” that detailed how the CIA did not give the FBI certain info prior to 9/11.

Also have heard and read many times about the dislike CIA has for the current Administration.


7 posted on 12/05/2007 7:51:30 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It looks like we are again in dire need someone in Congress who will make the libs scream “McCarthyism! McCarthyism!” for the next fifty years.


9 posted on 12/05/2007 7:59:24 AM PST by FlyVet
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Time to plug this in here.....

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There is a book (now available in paperback ):

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Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left
(Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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And reviews:

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Editorial Reviews

Rich Lowry, Editor National Review

David Horowitz is synonymous with pyrotechnics. A historian and polemicist of the first order, he is paid the ultimate compliment --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Davis Hanson, Author, Ripples of Battle

An original look at those who want us to fail in the Middle East, both at home and abroad. The --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

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See all Editorial Reviews

Fascinating Analysis of Leftist Goals, August 13, 2006

Reviewer: N. Sincerity - See all my reviews

A former 1960s radical, Horowitz is well-acquainted with the Leftist mindset. In this book, he strives to explain the modern alliance between left wing progressivists and radical Islamofascists. He argues that this alliance is based on a common desire to destroy Western capitalism. Leftist sympathy with Islamofascist ideas makes no sense from an intellectual point of view, given that countries ruled by radical Islamists are among the most racist, sexist, theocratic states in the world today. However, Leftists have recognized that they can benefit politically from destructive terrorist attacks on the Western world. A West under attack can be made to turn on its leaders in fear and desperation (as they did in Spain after the Madrid train bombings). Only once people reject current government structures can the Left execute its anti-capitalist revolution and build a new reality that mirrors the Leftist view of utopia.

The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means.

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14 posted on 12/05/2007 8:26:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; potlatch; devolve; MeekOneGOP; gonzo; FARS

The alliance of leftist moles and wahabbi disinfomenters has coated the runways with snake oil--

--but I announce tonight, December 7th, a date which has significance with others who misunderestimated us--

--that our forces thrust-vectored vertically and are at this moment engaged in breaking ground for a new Wal-Mart in Natanz.

16 posted on 12/05/2007 8:38:42 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“a single, unvetted source who provided information to a foreign intelligence service and has not been interviewed directly by the United States.”

I would hope that we are not that stupid...


18 posted on 12/05/2007 8:43:21 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
Thanks Ernest.
Its most dramatic conclusion -- that Iran shut down its nuclear weapons program in 2003 in response to international pressure -- is based on a single, unvetted source who provided information to a foreign intelligence service and has not been interviewed directly by the United States. Newsmax sources in Tehran believe that Washington has fallen for "a deliberate disinformation campaign" cooked up by the Revolutionary Guards, who laundered fake information and fed it to the United States through Revolutionary Guards intelligence officers posing as senior diplomats in Europe.

22 posted on 12/05/2007 9:10:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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For later.


24 posted on 12/05/2007 9:19:36 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (Gone fishin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

More agenda disguised as intelligence. They’ve learned nothing since 9/11 just like they learned nothing from WTC 1.

Even the notoriously fragmented Israeli political establishment is united on this one. Survival has a way of doing that.


26 posted on 12/05/2007 9:23:55 AM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I just got this book from Amazon the other day. It looks like a good read all relating to this very subject. I haven't opened it yet. I just heard the interview of the author on the radio and decided to buy it:


27 posted on 12/05/2007 9:31:06 AM PST by BreezyDog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; tubebender; dalereed; BOBTHENAILER

Maybe I’ll see this differently after I read some of the thread, but I doubt it. What we have here are ruthless, rogue, resistance agents in our own intelligence/State Department, committing pure politicization of national security issues to feed false credibility to the party of the idiotic left... Democrats!!!


34 posted on 12/05/2007 11:53:47 AM PST by SierraWasp (Too many NIE contributors are ruthless, rogue resistance agents in our own CIA & State Dep!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Here’s a synopsis of what’s going on. The technical stuff is not the most interesting, IMO, so let’s get that out of the way first.

Iran might already have a few nuclear weapons by way of having obtained materials and physicists from various parts of Asia. No one knows whether or not Iran has obtained nukes that way or how close Iran might be to having done so.

But Iran wants to make hundreds of nuclear weapons and to supply them to other Islamist nations. Thus, the many facilities in Iran for taking that route... Iran’s apparent intentions are not only toward Israel. No one knows how far Iran has come toward capability to produce many weapons within a short time. Iran has refused to allow the IAEA to inspect at least one of its plants without delays before inspections.

Iran produces nuclear fuel pellets [for heavy water reactor]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930458/posts

Iran has declared its intents to share its “technologies” with Syria, Sudan, the Saudi nations, and probably others.

Why the Pentagon Is Happy about the NIE
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1691241,00.html

Why are so many leaders in a Republican Administration wanting to stall until Iran has a large nuclear arsenal?

Here’s the part that hard for some of us to swallow. Over the past few years, I’ve listened to quite a few neighbors and other acquaintances who voted Republican during the last two elections. They identify themselves as Christians and send lots of e-mail on Christian issues. We like our more orderly versions of reality and tend to reject and deny that which scares us.

These zombie-Nazis (as they can’t explain the cause of their hatred) want Israel to be given to the “Palestinians,” who they describe as victims. They say, “Why shouldn’t Iran have nukes? Iran is a sovereign Nation.”

Many people in the USA are in favor of Israel, but many others of various political persuasions aren’t, and they don’t explain any reason for their antagonistic attitudes against Israel. That’s the one thing that they don’t explain.

And that’s what’s really interesting, IMO. Iran is intending to cause terrible damage to the West, and anti-Israel people know that. But they’re willing to risk it in order to see Israel—a country that otherwise has nothing directly to do with their personal lives—destroyed.


44 posted on 12/05/2007 2:28:33 PM PST by familyop
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Smells to high heaven.

Just shows that the next asleep at the switch Democrat president will just leave a bigger hole in America. These Democrats are despicable.


46 posted on 12/05/2007 4:36:17 PM PST by Tarpon
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