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The Truth About "Alternative Energy"
Townhall.com ^ | December 5, 2007 | Roy Innis

Posted on 12/05/2007 12:26:54 AM PST by gpapa

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To: dennisw
Make lots of electricity and severely limit oil and gas fired plants.

Not a lot of oil fired plants now. Much of the numbers from Petroleum include using Petroleum Coke and Residual Oil; which are low value products left over after gasoline, diesel and others have been removed from the crude oil.

U.S. Electric Power Industry Net Generation, 2006

21 posted on 12/05/2007 5:28:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Lots of gas fired plants and growing such as in California where it is mandated. Greenies pressure for gas fired electric plants


22 posted on 12/05/2007 6:56:50 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
Anyone have an estimate of the cost of running a hydrogen car on coal generated electricity?

Burning coal to make steam to make electricity to make hydrogen is incredibly wasteful, when you can make hydrogen from coal and water. Google "water gas".

23 posted on 12/05/2007 7:18:42 AM PST by Campion
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To: CheezyChesster

Only for 40 seconds?


24 posted on 12/05/2007 8:21:39 AM PST by steve8714 (The last actor elected POTUS turned out OK.)
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To: Westlander

No new nuclear power plants have been started in the US since Three Mile Island, in 1979.


25 posted on 12/05/2007 9:59:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Westlander

Make that the Three Mile Island incident/accident in 1979, the plant there antedates that, naturally.


26 posted on 12/05/2007 10:00:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: dennisw
Greenies pressure for gas fired electric plants

Which raises the price of gas for those of us who use it as a heating fuel at high latitudes.

27 posted on 12/05/2007 10:02:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The Fermi 2 Nuclear Power Plant is a 1,100-megawatt boiling water reactor owned and operated by Detroit Edison, an electric utility serving more than 2.2 million customers in Southeastern Michigan.

The plant, located in Newport, Mich., began commercial operation in 1988. Since that time, the plant has produced more than 128 billion kilowatt hours of electricity for Detroit Edison customers.

http://www.michigan.gov/dleg/0,1607,7-154—177283—,00.html


28 posted on 12/05/2007 10:08:00 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander

Thanks! I stand corrected.


29 posted on 12/05/2007 10:10:29 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I did’nt know myself. And Fermi 2 is 25 miles away from me!

I found this searching....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935118/posts


30 posted on 12/05/2007 10:23:57 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Sorry Joe, a lot of nuclear power units were started after Three Mile Island Incident.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/nuc_reactors/operational.xls


31 posted on 12/05/2007 12:45:28 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Westlander; Smokin' Joe

The last US nuclear power unit that became operational in the US was the Watts Bar 1 nuclear reactor is located between Chattanooga and Knoxville, operated by TVA. It became operational in 1996.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/wattsbar.html

http://www.tva.gov/power/nuclear/nuclear_fact_sheet.pdf


32 posted on 12/05/2007 12:48:51 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gpapa

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts


33 posted on 12/05/2007 12:53:18 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: gpapa
"Power plants fueled by coal are far less polluting than 30 years ago."


34 posted on 12/05/2007 1:00:59 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Campion

Thanks


35 posted on 12/05/2007 11:46:30 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: thackney
Actually, I checked the sheet at the link, and while many went on grid after the Three Mile Island incident, none show new construction starts after 1979.

Even Watts Bar started construction prior to that date.

Many existing facilities have been refit, or their construction completed and come on line since then, but no construction sites are listed in the DOE spreadsheet after TMI (1979).

Note, too, the lag between construction starts and going on line. If we started tomorrow, it would take years for the first watt of electricity to come out of any new plant.

36 posted on 12/06/2007 7:41:19 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Correct, no new construction permits were issued after TMI.

Keep in mind the lag in time was also due to the changing requirements that caused redesign and rework. It “should” not take that long today.

There are some beginning the process again.

NRC > New Reactor Licensing > Early Site Permits
http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-licensing/esp.html

37 posted on 12/06/2007 7:45:45 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Well, if they fast-track the process, they should get the plants built before the fuel decays to lead. (maybe)!


38 posted on 12/06/2007 8:03:49 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: dennisw
Dig up clean Western coal and start burning a lot more of it. It burns very cleanly today with modern technology.

Escalate Staircase National Monument has a tremendous supply.

39 posted on 12/06/2007 8:05:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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