Posted on 12/04/2007 11:44:21 PM PST by Plutarch
I don’t think anyone is trying to prove it’s “false.” However, there are things that are spoken of in the Bible that we know to be scientifically or literally impossible or otherwise couldn’t have happened exactly as they are printed.
Now, one can make the argument that God, maker of miracles, could have allowed it, and I believe that to be so. However, none of us were there, and most religious leaders also believe that parts of the Bible are meant to be a way to explain a particular lesson, moral decision, or world event in a way that the simplest, least educated person can understand it. So there’s some allegory there.
The long-standing debate is what is literal, and what is not. To question the meaning of something in the Bible, which is the Word of God, but has been written and translated by Man for centuries, isn’t the same as questioning the divinity of the Lord Himself.
And I will state again that there are millions of people in this country who believe the Bible is literally true. That it is inerrant and a completely factual account of what actually happened; including the 6 days creation, Noah's flood, the Earth being thousands rather than millions of years old, the whole nine yards. And a lot of them post here. Don't believe me? Check out a Darwin thread sometime.
Still, the underlying motivation behind most of the anti-religious bigots who try to pin and humiliate people with such questions is to “prove” that there is no objective truth and morality in order to justify behaving any way they damn well please.
Here are some other underlying motivations for surface issues:
Stem cell research -> Abortion, devaluing of the unborn
Global Warming -> anti-capitalism, global socialism
Multiculturalism/diversity/tolerance -> destruction of Western Culture
Abortion itself -> making the innocent pay for the decisions of the irresponsible
WRONG!
The Bible was written for adults. It includes a lot of allegory, and a basic principle of interpretation is to examine how the listeners would have understood it at the time.
As for the mustard seed, I’m assuming it was known at the time as a very tiny seed, so it was used in an allegorical explanation. At the time, Jesus wasn’t trying to discuss biology.
Just because Psalms talks about God wanting to gather His children under his wings DOESN’T mean that God is Big Bird.
Which must mean that the sun revolves around the Earth instead of the other way around, right?
Well said!!!
If you take all three statements literally, then I arrived at my desk at 6:18am this morning (true), we had plates of unadorned pasta for dinner last night (no, there was also sauce, meat and cheese), and my hair is brown and formed into viscous blobs (no, it's just frizzy and unmanageable).
Yet the meaning of those statements are clear without further explanation.
Now I will go beat my head against the wall elsewhere.
I’m more concerned about his views on Gitmo than the Bible—should he put his hand on one on a cold day in January 2009.
There is some truth in what you say. My Mom voted for Clinton because “Bob Dole has mean eyebrows”! Since an amazing number of people like that vote, having an attractive candidate helps a lot - think JFK (the original).
But positions also matter. What he will do once in office counts. Huckabee bases his decisions on what makes him feel good about himself as a Christian.This leads to a lot of positions that conflict with sober government. Hence my tag line - Sandra Day O’Connor was the swing vote because you never knew how she would feel about an issue - and she based her decisions on her feelings instead of the Constitution.
I wouldn’t vote for Huckabee in the general election. Why? Because he misuses his faith to justify his feelings, and because when he screws it up, he lies about it. He’s a cross between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, and I can’t be part of putting him in the White House.
The debate is not really about who is offended, and I, one who literally believes Genesis knows full well there is not one word that is Written that dates the age of this earth. The 'data' we are given allows a best guess how long ago man in flesh bodies were formed. We are told that the Adam was not living until the breath of life (soul) was breathed into his nostrils. What is to be found, planted by others is instruction that this planet is multiples of millions of years old. Peter says there was a heaven/earth age prior to this one and another one yet to come.
There is ample evidence planted all over this earth that demonstrates there is nothing young about it, the youthfulness of this 'age' is man in flesh bodies. However, because of the 'there is no God' mentality shoved by the evolutionary welfare elites the majority of 'creationists' recoil at every valid discovery demonstrating this earth is NOT young.
You say you have known Huckabee for years. I don’t know him at all. My impression of him are not the anti-Huck commercials or what people on FR say about him. My impression is his one-on-one interviews he has given. Unlike the lady who sees herself voting for him, in my case I cannot. He comes across - not only to me but also my wife - as a Repub version of Clinton. A grifter who lashed onto the Republican party to gather power for himself. Granted, if he wins the nomination, I will vote for him over the Dem socialists. But in this vetting process, I am going with Fred Thompson.
Good explanation of a concept I never could find the right words to explain.
Example... Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; (literal nourishment for flesh bodies) the tree of life (Christ - not a literal tree but who is the giver of life eternal) also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Also NOT a literal tree to nourish the flesh, rather an insignificant impostor say like some kinds of figs or even a bramble of Judges 9:8-15)
But of course../s
So was the seven days of creation literal or figurative?
How long was a day before the earth was rotating?
“To question the meaning of something in the Bible, which is the Word of God, but has been written and translated by Man for centuries, isn’t the same as questioning the divinity of the Lord Himself.” ~ RockinRight bttt
Precisely.
Inerrancy and Human Ignorance
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/inerrancy.html
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Religious and Philosophical Reasons Why We Don’t Have Inerrant Copies
This is the granddaddy of the issues in answering this argument. The first aspect of it is one that Skeptics themselves should easily see.
Hardened skeptics often call Christians “bibliolaters” - thus implying that the Bible is some sort of “leather-covered security blanket” that Christians worship and would be frantic without. This charge is unfortunately sometimes true, although I could say the same of some skeptics and their copies of Origin of the Species, or of certain adherents of certain Skeptics in regards to their own fearless leaders. At any rate, we can see easily why, first, this dichotomy is wrong, in terms of a blanket assessment; and second, how this leads us to the biggest reason why we do not have inerrant copies of Scripture today.
First, it is plain that neither the Bible nor a belief in inerrancy is required to be a Christian. If this were so, then skeptics like Frank Morison or C. S. Lewis, who believed in the historicity of the Resurrection but not in the inerrancy of the Gospel reports of it, would never become Christians. People behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains would never have become Christians in times when the Bible was forbidden in those countries and they often had no more of the Bible than a few pitiable verses handwritten on a paper towel. Finally, in this day beyond when most people cannot even remember what their name is without consulting their drivers’ license, literacy would be a prerequisite for belief, which would be absurd being that the Bible was written in a time when up to 95% of the given population was illiterate. So the charge of “bibliolatry,” while unfortunately sometimes true or appearing to be so, is nevertheless not a true representation of Christian belief. Moreover, given the circumstances, it is clear that “the Word of God” for most people was not what was written on paper, but was the original idea (what I have called the “home office” copy) recorded on paper. Few could have appreciated the significance of a written, inerrant original document.
Second, it should by now be obvious, in light of this, why we do not have inerrant copies of the Bible today - if we did, then you might well see genuine, widespread bibliolatry. Look back on the checkered history of mankind in general and the church in particular. Every Skeptic worth his salt can recite the litany of sins associated with, for example, the sale of relics in the early church. These “relics” were alleged to be pieces of Christian history that the common believer could buy, and in exchange not only have it for what it allegedly was, but also perhaps thereby purchase some time for themselves or deceased relatives out of purgatory, among other things! The relics themselves are well-known - most of us have heard the famous statement about there being enough wood from the “True Cross” to build a seaworthy ship. Other relics have ranged from the indelicate (vials of Mary’s breast milk) to the mundane (toenail clippings of the Apostles) to the frankly disgusting (a whole TOE of an Apostle).
Now if this is how allegedly authentic pieces of Christian history were regarded, how would inerrant copies of Scripture have been received? True, there are a few of us (including myself, and a friendly Skeptic who had been writing to me) who would not submit to such temptations; but by far the majority of the population in history has not been of the sort who could resist according some special worship to supposedly holy items. But for comparison we might consider Muslim treatment of copies of the Quran. While it does not seem that Muslims hold to quite the view that every copy is inspired, consider some standard treatment of the text even in its current state (thanks to “Wildcat” for this info):
It has to be wrapped in a nice cloth. It has to be put on this thing that looks like a stand so you don’t put it on your lap. It has to be duly kissed on front, back and top before you open it and most of all you believe it is all the truth and NEVER EVER DARE question it’s integrity and when you read it you have to recite it in a prose, you don’t read it like a book and some people move back and forth, i.e sway slightly when they recite it.
Christians are already called bibliolaters now; what if they went this far? How far would any “people of the book” go if they believed every copy was divinely inspired?
Furthermore, consider that the laity in many parts of the early church were forbidden to have their own copies of Scripture; how if those copies had each been inscribed with God’s seal? The Scripture copies themselves would become the most expensive sort of relic, put distantly out of reach of the common people. Some would have taken to mind to destroy as many copies as they could, and prevent the production of later copies, to increase the value of their own copies. Scribes would be hired to produce (or NOT produce) more copies for their wealthy patrons. This would be the problems of relics a thousandfold.
About 15 years ago, I went to see a traveling exhibit featuring the original Declaration of Independence. Visitors were carefully searched before they entered; a maze of pathways led you to center stage; and there, at the very heart of the exhibit, one could be permitted to gaze upon that fragile, revered document - inside a glass-topped case that emerged from a secure area below the observation level. If this is the type of concern we show for our Declaration of Independence, what would we do with inerrant copies of the Bible? Would we approve of our government, or a church, or some conglomerate, hoarding the inerrant copies and guarding them jealously? The Word of God should be accessible to everyone; and if every translation and copy came out inerrant, there would undoubtedly be political, economic or ecclesiastical powers who would take steps to take advantage of the situation, and declare something to the effect that “the common people” had no right or need to have their own copies, just as did indeed happen at certain points in Middle Age and pre-Middle Age history. To the Skeptic who protests, as many have, that God could or should have taken steps to ensure that every copy and translation was inerrant, I say that if that had been done, the results would have been tragic - far worse than what actually has happened in our history.
Bottom line: God wants us to worship HIM, not scraps of paper. Our very nature to worship that which we can see and touch and consider holy proves that we would not be able to handle the responsibility of inerrant copies. Indeed, it may be said that the while the creation of inerrant originals was highly important, their loss and destruction was equally so.
There are some less important philosophical reasons why we do not have inerrant copies and translations. Let’s discuss each of these briefly.
Not having inerrant copies encourages freely-made decisions and independent thinking.
One of the most amazing arguments I have seen from Skeptics is that Christians like to impose their will upon others. This, too, is unfortunately too-often true in some ways; but by the same token, how can such skeptics then complain about a lack of inerrant copies and translations of Scripture? God would not force a decision for His Son upon anyone; it is a choice that must be freely made. The presence of inerrant copies would implicitly coerce people into conversion. Skeptics, if you think that making your own decision and thinking for yourself is right and proper, you should welcome the fact that God did not give us inerrant copies of Scripture. But it seems that such complainers only want a God who imposes at their own convenience.
Inerrant translations would be logistically impossible for mankind to handle.
No one person has the same exact understanding. No language, no culture, has exactly the same structure and outlook. That being the case, how would it be logistically possible - and again, not coercive - to provide inerrant copies and translations for every person on earth?
An amusing cartoon in a Christian magazine depicted a group of people, each carrying their own personal translation of the Bible. The titles reflected that the Bibles were indeed their “own” translation: “Good News for Bob,” “The Living Word for Joe,” etc. Now God could indeed by His power have given each of us a special book; but if they were attuned to each of us, what is likely the first thing that will happen? Skeptics delight in pointing out how much difference their is between believers when it comes to translating and interpreting particular parts of the Bible; imagine how bad that controversy would be if we each had our own copy with different contents attuned to ourselves. Again, man’s nature, and the coercive nature of such an action, would make this impossible; and this would be so even if every copy was exactly the same — people would still let their own ideas rule the roost. And related to that idea is this one:
God’s message in the Bible may be summed up in just a few exemplary verses, upon which the rest are built; and these few verses are the height of simplicity.
Do human laws seem complicated to you? As those involved directly in governmental work are aware, laws come in many layers. Statutes form the initial basis for action; then agencies create codes whereby they plan to adhere to those laws. Departments within agencies create procedural rules whereby they follow those codes. It is a complicated mess that has been the subject of many a complaint of bureaucracy.
In contrast, the Bible’s messages are mostly straightforward and simple. The Bible has two primary components, OT and NT, that may be summarized easily in a few words. Jesus and the Jews of His time and before summarized the OT with the two commands to love God with all that was in you, and love your neighbor as yourself. The NT, too, may be summarized with just a few words - notably those of John 3:16, although certainly there are other good candidates.
As noted earlier, neither the Bible nor belief in its inerrancy is required to become a Christian. All that is needed is acceptance of these few words and what they represent; the rest is equivalent, spiritually speaking, of enforcement codes - how to live the life that God has called you to. Thus there is no need for inerrant copies when the basic message, all that is essentially needed, is so crystal-clear.
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Issues of Translation Are Our Languages Perfect Enough?
The words of Jim Merritt above are good for a decent belly laugh. Following his (apparent) logic means that if someone wants to translate Meritt’s phrase, “I’m not disagreeing with events, I’m disagreeing with what is WRITTEN” into German, and it comes out reading, “I like sticking weinerschnitzel in my ear and I like riding goats bareback,” then it is Meritt’s fault, not the translator’s fault, and it would merely be an “amusing misdirection” on Meritt’s part to say that his words were translated improperly.
But there is always an initial question that is quite legitimate: Why do we have translation problems with the Bible? The answer is that there are ALWAYS translation problems with ANY document and translations between ANY two languages. There are a variety of reasons for this; let’s look at some specifically relevant to the Bible.
Textual criticism has indicated that we have received the text of our Bible quite well - we are able to achieve 95% accuracy for the OT, 99% accuracy in the NT. That means only 50 pages of your OT and 3 of your NT (in a Bible without commentary) are questionable - and that is a transcription rate that historians would be delighted to have for any ancient document. Indeed, it is amazing to observe some of the measures taken, especially by the Masoretic scribes, to ensure accurate transcription. But the scribes, concerned with copying “word for word,” were not attempting to accommodate later humans who might not understand the terms, figures of speech, etc. of their day. The reverence associated - even necessitated - with transcribing God’s Word certainly would be impressed upon Biblical scribes, and would reinforce the idea that the exact words were important. However, words are meaningless without understanding, and that is why it is unfortunate that context was not always preserved with the exact words.
Have you ever noticed that when a new “version” of the Bible is issued, that even when it is doctrinally satisfactory with the most stringent fundamentalists, there is always a hue and cry? Take the “street lingo” version of the Bible - it reads “Do not take the name of the Lord in vain” as “Don’t diss the name of the Almighty, because payback is a monster,” as an example. You can just see the little old ladies in church fainting at the idea. Blasphemy!, they’d say. But it isn’t necessarily! It’s an attempt to keep the Bible in context with a specific culture, which CAN be done without sacrificing doctrine. And that is what God would want us to do: Tell the truth, but make sure others understand it without compromising it. The words of the Apostle Paul are quite appropriate here:
“Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.”
(1 Cor 9:19-23)
This is not to say that context should be emphasized to the point of radically altering the text. Eternal truths or the basic facts do not require much tailoring, but “trivia” areas probably require, if nothing else, an explanatory footnote. For example, there are places where Abraham and his contemporaries put their hands under each other’s “thighs” (a euphemism for the genitals) to make a pledge. People who are squeamish and uninformed (as well as looking for an excuse to stop reading) will slap the Bible shut on verses like that and squeal, “Oooo, what a FILTHY-MINDED book!” Not so in terms of the society in which this was written; that’s our own post-Victorian squeamishness at work! Or another example, from the skeptic Steve Allen - whose two books on the Bible are full of silly misunderstandings like this one.
So what should have been done for our translations of the Bible? The best thing perhaps would have been - and barring a wealth of new archaeological finds, it is too late now to take it up - for scribes to maintain the exact, word-for-word translation along with regularly-updated (but also physically separate) commentaries explaining various customs, figures of speech, and events in their context. As time passed, later generations would still have the exact verbiage - but also a series of commentaries that would allow them to “stay in touch” with the full meaning of what had originally been written. We, too, should study the culture and history surrounding the Bible, so that we may more clearly understand what is being said; or at the very least, so that we do not make write books full of embarrassing assertions like Steve Allen.
At any rate, any new version or translation of the Bible should be taken up with excessive care. Ideally, the work should be done by people who have a thorough knowledge of both the original languages and the receiving language; but this is not always practicable, and in the meantime, there are souls that are literally starving for the Good News. So don’t waste time complaining. If you’re a complainer, do your homework!
Have you ever read Chaucer or Shakespeare in the original? Most of you would look at that Olde English and understand a few words of it, but unless you were a scholar of that time period, or had Cliff’s Notes, you would miss most or all of the puns, political references, etc. peculiar to that time. Now if we have such trouble with 400 year-old English, imagine what trouble the Septuagint translators had with even older Hebrew! They read it - but you can bet they didn’t always UNDERSTAND it!
Modern investigative techniques have helped us clear up many of these kinds of problems in the Bible, but not all of them - and because many of our translators seem to revere the text nearly to the point of worship, many of these discoveries have not surfaced in our modern Bible translations. For example, in the list of unclean “birds” in Leviticus, the final entry is “bat”. Skeptics (Jim Merritt and C. Dennis McKinsey, for example) point this out as an error: Bats are not birds. However, the Hebrew word in Leviticus that we translate “birds” is better rendered “flying things” - it was a generic term for any animal that flew; more literally, “the owner of a wing.” (See here for more.) This applies obviously to birds, but also to bats, and certain insects. Unfortunately, even our newest Bibles use the word “birds,” which only provides more grist for the skeptical mill. Our translators should be careful of this kind of thing. But it seems they revere the exact wording in some cases more than they revere exact understanding. At the very least, our Bibles should have footnotes explaining passages like the one in Leviticus. You usually have to get a commentary to get a proper explanation.
What are some of the difficulties encountered in any translation? Let’s start with something related to Hebrew specifically: The old form of the language didn’t use vowels. (Why that is so is beyond our scope here. Perhaps they couldn’t afford the $250 to buy each one, or else their vowels were stolen and later purchased by the Hawaiians at a Phonetic Garage Sale.) To illustrate the problem, try reading this:
gt n bd
Does this say “get in bed?” Got no bid? Got on bad? An ancient Hebrew could figure it out, but not us so easily. Context helps, of course, but remember that context is not always helpful, and where there was a place where either of two or three words MIGHT make sense, the scribes who added vowel points much later on were undoubtedly working with their own preconceived notions. To make the problem worse, suppose an earlier scribe had slipped and added an extra consonant:
gt n brd
That extra “r” could lead to translating the phrase “get on board.” From there, things could get worse. Maybe the scribe skipped his coffee break and did this:
grt n bld
Now we have a phrase that’s totally off. A later scribe could get very confused and just change the consonants altogether, just to make sense of the phrase.
These are problems in Hebrew only; there are greater problems for all languages across the board. In Aramaic Sources of Mark’s Gospel, Maurice Casey, in examining the process of Mark’s use of Aramaic sources in composing his Greek Gospel, offers these inevitable complications of translation and bilingualism, and actual examples in practice:
How a bilingual learns a language — and how they keep up with it — inevitably affects their translation ability. There is a vast difference between a person who grows up with both languages (and may therefore be less proficient in both of them) and a person who learned a second language, and did not use their first language for many years.
As Casey puts it, though, “All bilinguals suffer from interference,” and translators more so [94] A couple of examples:
Bilinguals “often use a linguistic item more frequently because it has a close parallel in their other language. “ Thus: “...Danish students are reported using the English definite article more often than monoglot speakers of English. This reflects ‘the fact that Danish and English seem to have slightly different conceptions of what constitutes generic as opposed to specific reference.’ “ Or: “...there is a tendency for English loanwords among speakers of Australian German to be feminine — die Road, die Yard, etc. — and this is probably due to the similarity in sound between the German die and the accented form of English ‘the’, whereas the German masculine der and neuter das sound different.” [94]
When a source text is culture-specific, there is great need for changes to make the text intelligible. The French cartoon Asterix the Gaul, with its many exotic character names, has “given rise to different decisions by translators into several different languages.” [97] The name of a village chieftain is Abraracoucix in French, and remains so in Italian and Dutch, but was rendered Majestix in German, Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian, and became Vitalstatistix in English. Then there is an example of how two German editions of Alice and Wonderland translated a particular passage differently:
‘Perhaps it doesn’t understand English,’ thought Alice, ‘I dare say it’s a French mouse, come over with William the Conqueror.’
One edition substituted “English” so that the translation simply said that the mouse did not understand much, and to make the reference to William the Conqueror intelligible, added a phrase about William coming from England. A different translation though made the language not understood by the mouse into German, and changed William the Conqueror into Napoleon. [101] There were thus two different methods used to make the text intelligible to native readers.
A German person on a bus asks a person next to an empty seat, “Ist dieser Platz frei?” It is literally in English, “Is this place free?” But an English person would say, “Is this seat taken?” Or, a polite request in Polish to a distinguished guest to take a seat is literally, in English, “Mrs Vanessa! Please! Sit! Sit!” The “short imperative” to “Sit!” sounds “like a command rather than a polite request” made to someone unruly rather than to a distinguished guest. (For a great example of this sort of misunderstanding by critics in the Bible, see here.) [105]
Translating Dickens into German, there is a phrase in The Olde Curiosity Shop where a character speaks of it being “a fine week for ducks.” English speakers naturally know this to mean it was a rainy week. A German translator however concluded that for us, “a fine week for ducks” meant it was a fine week to go hunting for them! [106]
Such then are typical problems of translating from one language to another. The sort of exhaustive knowledge required to perform an exact translation is simply beyond the understanding of most people, and presents a practical impossibility.
Skeptical obfuscation in this area, however, abounds: One 19th-century Skeptic said that there were “150,000 blunders in the Hebrew and 7,000 in the Greek.” That sounds bad until you remember that these “blunders” consist for the largest part of JUST ONE LETTER OR NUMERAL spread across multiple copies! Thus, if a letter is put 26 different ways in 26 different manuscripts, that counts as 26 “errors”. Let’s keep things on perspective, here! It should be obvious that since many of the “errors” in our Bibles turn on single letters, numbers or words, no doctrine of Christian belief is the least bit altered by any questionable reading in Scripture. Nor does salvation require a functional belief in inerrancy; indeed, if it did, those who were illiterate or did not have a Bible in their own language could never be saved. The number of horses in Solomon’s army, the name of Saul’s daughter who had no children - these things should be recognized and corrections noted, but they should be no cause for shipwreck of anyone’s faith or an excuse for disbelief in the Good News of salvation through Jesus Christ. For certain Skeptics, however, the miscues are gold; but they are fools’ gold: They conceal the true reason for their disbelief, whether that be a dislike of Christians, the inability to come to terms with God, or the desire to live a sinful lifestyle, or any number of reasons not listed here. No convinced skeptic will turn to Christ simply because we explain why Chronicles says Ahab’s bathtub held 75 gallons while Kings says 85. Their reasons for disbelief are beyond that. But for those who watch and observe our debates, and are considering not only our answers, but the WAY in which we answer, the apologetic for inerrancy is important. We should be aware of the basic issues surrounding translation and transcription. A few further considerations in this regard:
Who is it who “killed” the languages in question? As I reminded a certain well-known skeptic recently, it was men who did it. (Although remember, Hebrew and Greek are still alive today.) And in any event, the language of the NT - Koine Greek, a sort of common man’s Greek of the time - was in NT times the established lingua franca of the Roman Empire. It was the language used and/or usable by the most people alive in the Roman Empire at that time. Thus did God ensure the rapid spread of His message of salvation.
Moreover, we have also lost touch with various social and literary constraints that governed the composition of the Bible. My favorite example of late has involved passages composed with Greco-Roman rhetorical technique in mind. Thus, for example, as I have noted in our reply to Jim Merritt, the alleged contradictions between the accounts of Paul’s conversion in Acts can be understood in a way that sees them as quite intentional. Likewise, understanding ancient proverbial literature in its context eliminates a great many perceived difficulties, in particular regarding the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.
This may not apply to either Meritt or Barker, or to any skeptic in particular, but if there are so many of us willing to learn a foreign language for travel, business, or just for the heck of it, why should we complain about learning Biblical Hebrew or Greek? Again, this is not necessary to grasp the most important truths of the Bible, but there is also no excuse for not taking the time to study - especially if we are going to be like skeptics and pick at things of which we have no knowledge, like Barker, Merritt, and of course Steve Allen.
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So How Would God Have Kept The Copies Inerrant??
Finally, with all of the questions and complaints they make, skeptics fail to inform us of what practical measures they would have had God take to ensure inerrant copies and translations. The pat answer might be, “The same way God supposedly inspired the originals!” But this, again, would constitute an act of coercion upon those who do not believe; and so would any other suggested method. Would Skeptics have God manipulate the hands of every scribe? Would a scribe’s hands “freeze up” or stop functioning when he or she was about to write an incorrect translation? Would the paper the error was written on suddenly burst into flames? Would God assume control of our printing presses? What if a Skeptic wanted to write a commentary, and interposed an “incorrect” idea? Would all form critics disappear in a puff of smoke? If we accept this logic, why not complain that God did not have each of us born with the Gospel tattooed inside our eyelids? Indeed, why not go all the way back and ask why God didn’t just send the elephant to trod on the serpent? Any method of preserving inerrancy would undoubtedly involve a great deal of coercion on God’s part, which would be a violation of our free will. Skeptics, however, are welcome to send suggestions on how such a process would be accomplished. So far only one of you (my “friendly Skeptic”) has done so. He suggested that the inerrant original should have been preserved in stone. Perhaps a good idea — although it still does not avoid the problems we have delineated above; it merely puts a different spin on them. I can see, for example, those corrupt monks of the Middle Ages putting armed guards around Original Bible Monument and keeping the peasantry away from it...and the Romans, who regularly smashed the religious artifacts of defeated enemies, doing that to the originals...and so on.
Thanks for proving my point.
Millions? You have data or stats to back that up?
What denominations have that stated as a matter of doctrine.
Meowmeow, another demonstration of the deliberate confusing of the terms *true* and *literal*.
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