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Spray vs. gun bear deterrent debate rages
the Missoulian ^
| December 03 2007
| JOHN CRAMER
Posted on 12/03/2007 3:09:30 PM PST by george76
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Lever action and hex barrel in 45-70 is most likely a Model 1886 Winchester. It could also be a modern Browning reproduction of the 1886. Model 1886 was the first lever gun from Winchester able to handle the 45-70 and cartridges of that class. I've got one of these in 45-90 caliber. It has a shotgun butt rather than the curved buttplate. It has a pretty good kick to it. I have to roll my own on this one, since 45-90 probably hasn't been produced since the 1940s.
If it's an original Winchester, it will say so on the tang, something like Winchester patent model 1886. Also there will be a Winchester marking on the barrel. If a reproduction, you will probably find the name of the manufacturer, i.e., Browning on the barrel. If an original 1886, you can safely shoot the 400 grain lead bullets from various manufacturers. I'd shy away from the modern jacketed 300 grain 45-70 in an original, unless you had a gunsmith check it out. If it's a reproduction, you can shoot anything the factory turns out for 45-70 ammo. I'd stay away from 500 grain stuff-that will definitely break your shoulder. The 400 grain stuff is bad enough. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any modern factory 500 grain loads, so don't worry about it.
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posted on
12/04/2007 2:28:43 PM PST
by
rangerX
(Sua Sponte)
To: george76
There’s an influx of Lefties into Montana.
They are trying to Kalifornicate the great state of Montana.
Part of their design is to have enough predators on public lands that it frightens people from using those lands.
This is part of the reason why biologists were caught planting grizzly and lynx fur in the Cascades. They’d already proposed roping off 1.3 million acres before their scheme was revealed. Oh, by the way, they weren’t fired, just reassigned.
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posted on
12/04/2007 2:36:21 PM PST
by
Ghost of Philip Marlowe
(If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
To: RKV
My thoughts exactly.
Don't even need to hit the bear. Anything close from a 50 might knock it over.
Heck, bears is smart. Just seeing a Barrett might scare it away. ;)
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posted on
12/04/2007 2:55:40 PM PST
by
mountn man
(The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
To: Elsie
Is that a 9mm Beretta? Might as well use a cap gun.
Make it two Ann's, and the bear might have an appetizer.
The girl needs a sammich.
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posted on
12/04/2007 3:09:03 PM PST
by
mountn man
(The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
The bears just might LIKE spicy hot man meat. Are you trying to turn this into another Larry Craig thread?
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posted on
12/04/2007 4:25:12 PM PST
by
Hardastarboard
(DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
To: RonF
you may not get a 2nd shot I would never venture into bear country without a high power semi-auto rifle and the biggest magazine I could jam into it, legally or illegally. I might miss 20 times, but the bear WOULD at least be deaf.
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posted on
12/04/2007 4:27:50 PM PST
by
Hardastarboard
(DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
To: rangerX
Great information. Thank you...
To: george76
Recently, the Geological Society of America (GSA) held a session on field safety. Much of the panel discussion dealt with the training that the USGS (United States Geological Survey) requires for its personnel before they can carry firearms--and many of the audience comments dealt with times that firearms have come in handy, not just for defense, but for signaling.
The USGS is required by politics to train its people for protection against 4-legged threats--not 2-legged.
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posted on
12/04/2007 4:56:45 PM PST
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: Hardastarboard; forester; SunkenCiv; jazusamo
I might miss 20 times, but the bear WOULD at least be deaf. 8-)
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posted on
12/04/2007 5:00:44 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
The liberals would have you pepper spray and taser a charging bear instead of allowing you to use what works.
110
posted on
12/04/2007 5:07:30 PM PST
by
BuffaloJack
(Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Oh, by the way, they werent fired, just reassigned.
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posted on
12/04/2007 5:09:37 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: RonF
> As long as you have both the nerve and the skill to hit the bear in the right spot. Especially if its moving. Most especially if its moving at you, as in this case you may not get a 2nd shot.
When did the second or third shot ever do any good if you missed with the first? After the first shot everything else is a desperation activity.
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posted on
12/04/2007 5:11:08 PM PST
by
BuffaloJack
(Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
To: Gondring
Following the tragic death of a Colorado Geological Survey researcher, programs nationwide are considering new safety guidelines for the outdoor industry.
Police arrested Robert R. Amos, also known as Dennis Cook, after finding the body of 24-year-old Alyssa Heberton-Morimoto on Tuesday. Her body was found roughly 15 miles south of Fairplay in a remote part of the San Isabel National Forest.
Vince Matthews, the director of the CGS says he has received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from organizations ranging from the U.S. Forest Service to the Division of Wildlife with condolences and questions on what they need to do for improved safety of their employees in America’s forests.
“Everyone who has people who go out alone is concerned about this and re-examining their safety procedures,”
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=72784
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posted on
12/04/2007 5:19:41 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
The session was dedicated to Mrs. Heberton-Morimoto.
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posted on
12/04/2007 6:03:46 PM PST
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: Gondring
Thanks.
What will happen now ?
Train and arm some of the staff ?
115
posted on
12/04/2007 6:56:30 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
Spraying ‘em with hot lead might be the path to compromise... ;’)
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posted on
12/04/2007 9:59:16 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Elsie
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posted on
12/05/2007 5:52:02 AM PST
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: george76
Oh my goodness. I can't believe people still take this spray stuff seriously.
Glad you mentioned the bells...
To: damondonion
What’s your opinion of the .450 Marlin?
To: george76
improve the odds that both humans and bears will escape the encounters...
My advice is a good pair of running shoes and a fat, out of shape hiking companion.......
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posted on
12/05/2007 6:02:01 AM PST
by
Hot Tabasco
(Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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