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To: Drumbo
Around 3000 B.C. the king of Egypt was Osiris. When he died, his wife, Isis, told how the god king lived on as a spirit being. She claimed that an evergreen tree sprang from a dead tree stump, overnight, and she told how each year on the anniversary of his birth (December 25!), Osiris would visit the evergreen tree which symbolized eternal life, and he would leave gifts.

Give me a frickin break. All these years, I and millions of others have been lead to believe that the Christmas tree was part of the celebration of Christ's birth. If that is an accepted truth, then how in the h*ll could an "evergreen" 3000 years before that incident be a part of that celebration?

If using the act of placing gifts by/under the evergreen elevates it to the status of a Christmas tree, then Osiris is a Johnny Come Lately because I'm sure that thousands of years before that, some Neanderthal threw a bone with meat on it under a tree as a "gift" for his mate and by your definition, voila, the Christmas tree and gift giving tradition was started.

11 posted on 12/02/2007 6:09:43 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: varon

There are people out there who will tell you that Christ was not born on Christmas. Mid December was the feast of Sol Invictis, the Unconquerable Sun, that it was a Pagan Germanic Feast Day - Yule. They will tell you that Easter is actually the Feast Day of a Germanic Fertility Goddess called Oestre, that Easter Eggs are a pagan symobol, that
Christ didn’t rise on a Sunday as he died on a Friday and it was predicted He would be in the Grave for Three Days and Three Nights.

All these people are probably right.

So what?

The Early Christian Church probably didn’t know the exact date of Christ’s Birth, or the exact date of His Crucifixtion.

They were faced with dealing with popularized pagan cults and cult days. They decided to “pre-empt” them by Christianizing them and turning Pagan Holidays into Christian Holy Days. Sounds pretty smart to me.

And if Chist didn’t rise from the dead on a Sunday, the only thing that is REALLY important is that He rose from the Dead and will come again.

If He wasn’t born on Christmas Day, the important thing is He WAS born and we have a day to honor His Birth.

And if the pagans worshipped trees, so what? They worshipped animals too, but that doesn’t keep us from having pets and we don’t worship Christmas Trees.

All of a sudden everybody is out the throw a wet blanket on Christian celebrations. Screw them. Buy the Tree, set up a Creche, go to Church, and remember what you are REALLY celebrating and everything will turn out o.k.

Merry Christmas!!!


14 posted on 12/02/2007 7:29:16 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: varon
"Give me a frickin break. All these years, I and millions of others have been lead to believe that the Christmas tree was part of the celebration of Christ's birth. If that is an accepted truth, then how in the h*ll could an "evergreen" 3000 years before that incident be a part of that celebration?

If using the act of placing gifts by/under the evergreen elevates it to the status of a Christmas tree, then Osiris is a Johnny Come Lately because I'm sure that thousands of years before that, some Neanderthal threw a bone with meat on it under a tree as a "gift" for his mate and by your definition, voila, the Christmas tree and gift giving tradition was started.
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Frikin break given (from me at least). I had no intention of offending, but only to illustrate that stating as fact that Latvia was the origin of the tree tradition is historically challenged and well documented (including scriptural). The article you linked to says as much about it's pagan origins in recorded history.

Osiris was hardly a Johnny-Come-Lately, since that tradition was very likely what the prophet Jeremiah was condemning around 600 years before Christ's birth (and at least some 2500 years after the origin of the Osiris myth. Osiris-worship continued up until the 6th century AD in some parts of Egypt giving the "Johnny-Come-Lately" god a run of well-over over 3,500 years).

Latvia was neither the first to adopt and embrace pagan symbols as Christian, nor the last. Non sequiturs about cavemen not-withstanding, it is a safe bet that the Christmas Tree tradition (under some other name since "Christmas" didn't originate until around the 9th Century) is a lot older than 1510.
16 posted on 12/03/2007 10:16:11 AM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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