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To: cricket
. . .knowing that he is 'disturbed' when not on them; making a conscious decision to not take them; says to me, one should be considered fully responsible for one's own, outcome based decision.

He was listed as a paranoid schizophrenic. One of the attributes of schizophrenia is stopping medication. Often the patient feels that the pills make them worse and the doctors are in on it. They are paranoid.

Over and over in the news you'll see references to crimes committed by schizophrenics who "stopped taking their meds". It is really common.

37 posted on 12/02/2007 8:30:27 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: BunnySlippers
No question on just how common or the prison stats for those 'off meds'. But something needs to be done; and someone must be ultimately responsible here.

These people need to be required to 'check in' - do urine tests - 'something' per being monitored if they are left to their own devices - and pose or promise a threat to others. Otherwise; they need to be hospitalized. . .It is just as insane to imagine; the paranoid schizophrenic is going to take his meds and not otherwise be a problem. Families were on alert here; there has to be a 'call' here to reason; by 'someone'. Something has to change here. If all remote means fails. . .then holding the 'patient' responsible may be the only genuine threat these people need to fear.

Still; beyond and yet still icluding 'mental illness; people make decisions for themselves. Taking 'crack' for instance; while knowing the disconnect with reality; should not excuse the user from responsibility for any crimes committed in his name.

89 posted on 12/02/2007 6:57:31 PM PST by cricket (Just say N.O. to U.N..)
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To: BunnySlippers
No question on just how common or the prison stats for those 'off meds'. But something needs to be done; and someone must be ultimately responsible here.

These people need to be required to 'check in' - do urine tests - 'something' per being monitored if they are left to their own devices - and pose or promise a threat to others. Otherwise; they need to be hospitalized. . .It is just as insane to imagine; the paranoid schizophrenic is going to take his meds and not otherwise be a problem. Families were on alert here; there has to be a 'call' here to reason; by 'someone'. Something has to change here. If all remote means fails. . .then holding the 'patient' responsible may be the only genuine threat these people need to fear.

Still; beyond and yet still icluding 'mental illness; people make decisions for themselves. Taking 'crack' for instance; while knowing the disconnect with reality; should not excuse the user from responsibility for any crimes committed in his name.

90 posted on 12/02/2007 6:57:32 PM PST by cricket (Just say N.O. to U.N..)
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