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Commentary:Will the USS Kitty Hawk cement U.S.-India military ties?
United Press International,Asia ^ | Nov. 28 | M.D. NALAPAT

Posted on 11/28/2007 8:01:00 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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USS Kitty Hawk(CV-63)

1 posted on 11/28/2007 8:01:03 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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The proposed INS Vikramaditya
2 posted on 11/28/2007 8:02:20 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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Even as late as the 1990s, the U.S. was pressuring India to surrender the Kashmir valley to Pakistan. At the same time the Clinton administration was covertly backing the jihadi elements that finally took power in Kabul in 1996 as the Taliban. Interestingly, as yet the U.S. Congress has not opened an enquiry into the 1994-96 policies that resulted in Osama bin Laden's patrons being given charge of Afghanistan, with consequences that have been disastrous for international security

This I'd like to see evidance of.

3 posted on 11/28/2007 8:23:09 AM PST by Freeport
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Kitty Hawk would give the Indian Navy someplace to land their F/A-18s.

However, the Kitty Hawk would need a complete overhaul and rebuild, the cost of which the US doesn’t wish to bear, so why would the Indian Government wish to do so?

Refurbishing the former Admiral Gorshkov into the INS Vikramaditya is lesson enough for that.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 8:27:28 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Freeport

Have never heard of this-probably hot air.Like much of what is said in this article!!


5 posted on 11/28/2007 8:27:52 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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Their efforts at downplaying the force multiplier effect of the U.S. carrier focus on its "obsolete" catapult technology and the expenses involved in a refit.

Actually, I think that is the primary argument against offering it to any other country out there. I don't think it's such a good idea to proliferate this technology. Handing the Kitty Hawk to India is tantamount to handing the steam catapult technology to Russia, which still hasn't mastered it yet (France is reputed to have problems still, despite having been gifted this technology by Uncle Sam).

6 posted on 11/28/2007 8:29:26 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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Why would the IN want F-18s,if it’s not planning on a large carrier(with a catapult).

Is the Kitty Hawk in bad shape to demand a complete overhaul??It’s still on active duty & I’d assume most of it’s systems are up to date.Purchasing them off the shelf would save time,but still cost too much.The IN doesn’t have the kind of money that author it think it has-let alone adequate trained men,large enough docking facilities...... to take the Kitty Hawk.

The Kitty Hawk has a complement of about 4,500 which is 3 times that the size of the crew of India’s current carrier.Better off build or a buy a brand new super carrier with the money saved.

The Gorshkov idea was always dicey,because the Russians knew that they pretty much had the IN by their err. b*11s!!


7 posted on 11/28/2007 8:34:26 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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I believe that the Soviets planned on using steam catapults on their nuclear powered carrier,the Ulyanovsk which got cancelled around the time the USSR disappeared.


8 posted on 11/28/2007 8:41:03 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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Sukhoi: How 'real' is this? It seems that this might be a gambit to pressure the Russians into keeping a lid on the price for the Gorshkov refurbishment. I can think of a half-dozen technical reasons that India wouldn't actually take the Kitty Hawk.
9 posted on 11/28/2007 8:41:47 AM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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How much importance should one attach to someone who’s saying that Clinton backed the Taliban????Maybe it’s just a pressure tactic,but I have seen nothing about it in any other media outlet.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 8:48:13 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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If I can figure out what is going on, I don’t think the Russians will be very ‘impressed’. Thanks for the reply.


11 posted on 11/28/2007 9:09:37 AM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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to maintain a 140-ship navy

140 ships for a one ocean navy sounds ok. The US trying to maintain a 3 ocean navy with 280 ships is not.

12 posted on 11/28/2007 9:17:06 AM PST by PAR35
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Yeah, the amount of money and training to keep Kitty running as an Indian ship would have to be subsidized by Uncle Sam, the Indian navy couldn’t afford it.


13 posted on 11/28/2007 9:17:33 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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ping


14 posted on 11/28/2007 11:37:15 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think the author may be piecing several known things into one theory...the known things like we are an ally of Pakistan...and that the Taliban were largely the creation of the ISI...of which still helps the Taliban when they can...into the statement that we (Clinton) backed the Taliban.

Just my 2 cents.


15 posted on 11/28/2007 11:44:22 AM PST by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Engineer Bn. K.I.A. 25 Apr. 2005)
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16 posted on 11/28/2007 11:44:42 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Why would the IN want F-18s,if it’s not planning on a large carrier(with a catapult).

The F/A-18 is up for the MMRCA contract. Boeing has offered licensed local production as offsets.

If the Indian Navy had a carrier capable of operating the F/A-18 as well, then that would give the F/A-18 a leg up over the Eurofighter or Russian offerings for the MMRCA, and also give the IN an alternative to the MiG-29K. F/A-18E/F with AESA radar would be very tempting to have in a carrier form.

Is the Kitty Hawk in bad shape to demand a complete overhaul??It’s still on active duty & I’d assume most of it’s systems are up to date.Purchasing them off the shelf would save time,but still cost too much.The IN doesn’t have the kind of money that author it think it has-let alone adequate trained men,large enough docking facilities...... to take the Kitty Hawk.

The Kitty Hawk was built in the early 60's, and overhauled in the late '70s. It's due for either another overhaul or retirement. It is the last conventionally powered carrier in the US fleet, so it's going to be retired.

I doubt that the US has even offered the Kitty Hawk to the Inidan Navy, but if they did then I'm sure the IN could train a crew or two to operate it.

17 posted on 11/28/2007 12:13:23 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Freeport

The Kitty is a proven weapon system with 40 years service behind her. She’s old, sure, but all the parts work and what doesn’t work can be replaced.

As much as I admire the Russian STOAL concept, they haven’t got it working quite right yet.

It would make sense for the Indian’s to buy the Kitty.

Whether or not selling her to the Indians is a good idea or not, that I will have to think about more.


18 posted on 11/28/2007 1:55:14 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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Whether or not selling her to the Indians is a good idea or not, that I will have to think about more.

This would just be one more gear in the machine, so to speak. The USAF has been working closely with India for a couple of years now on their long-range aerial refueling capabilities. Whether or not it is a good idea to help India in the area of force projection was decided by the White House around 2003 or 2004. There have been a few articles posted on FR about this.
19 posted on 11/28/2007 2:08:51 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Tallguy
I can think of a half-dozen technical reasons that India wouldn't actually take the Kitty Hawk.

My Nav buddies stationed on other carriers didn't call it the Sh!tty Kitty for nothin'.
20 posted on 11/28/2007 5:42:08 PM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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