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To: milwguy

Interesting, but I did not see the temp readings (did I miss it somewhere?). Simply saying this year is cooler than 1998 (which was a very hot year) doesn’t mean its getting cooler year by year from 1998-2007 which is what this seems to imply (at least to me)

Anyone have the data? Thanks!


12 posted on 11/26/2007 5:35:34 PM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: icwhatudo

I am not sure the data which the author was referring to but I found this........http://www.ssmi.com/msu/msu_data_description.html#msu_amsu_time_series.........the salient point I picked up upon perusing the report was this “A global map of 28-year MSU/AMSU channel TMT trends shows large regions of significant warming over eastern and central Asia, and northern Canada, cooling over the southern oceans, with moderate warming over most other regions. A map of channel TLT trends shows a very similar pattern, but with more pronounced mid-latitude warming.....so when Al Gore says the planet is warming he is at least partly right, but this data only covers 28 years and how would one square the southern oceans cooling. I can see why with China burning so much coal and throwing their smog into the air, that the data would show a perceived warming over asia, but if global warming is really caused by man, how can we just heat part of the planet, whilst other parts cool?


31 posted on 11/26/2007 6:06:06 PM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: icwhatudo

I am not sure the data which the author was referring to but I found this........http://www.ssmi.com/msu/msu_data_description.html#msu_amsu_time_series.........the salient point I picked up upon perusing the report was this “A global map of 28-year MSU/AMSU channel TMT trends shows large regions of significant warming over eastern and central Asia, and northern Canada, cooling over the southern oceans, with moderate warming over most other regions. A map of channel TLT trends shows a very similar pattern, but with more pronounced mid-latitude warming.....so when Al Gore says the planet is warming he is at least partly right, but this data only covers 28 years and how would one square the southern oceans cooling. I can see why with China burning so much coal and throwing their smog into the air, that the data would show a perceived warming over asia, but if global warming is really caused by man, how can we just heat part of the planet, whilst other parts cool?


32 posted on 11/26/2007 6:06:07 PM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: icwhatudo; xcamel; Reform Canada
Total air temperatures have risen: but ONLY by 1/2 of one degree C. Thus, small (very small!) changes of 1/4 of one degree mean a LOT... And average temperatures since 1998 have remained the same: for nine years, there has been NO GLOBAL Warming AT ALL. You won’t hear this from the MSM, because the graphs are drawn sloping upwards through the data points - but the temperature curves have been flat for nine years.

Before that, the ONLY TIME that both CO2 and temperatures have risen at the same time in the past 150 years was the 27 year period from 1971 through 1998. At every other time, either CO2 was steady or decreasing (while temps rose) or temps were declining or steady (while CO2 rose.)

Neither makes a good trend - as far as the AGW extremist money crowd is concerned. Yes, he does not plot the graphs, and he should have: But the graphs (on several US national sites!) have been tweaked by the AGW extremists:

1) Surface temperatures graphs were previously “corrected” by Hansen himself at NASA - these corrections were needed to adjust for the heat bubble around urban cities - which are up to 10-12 degrees F hotter than farmlands: But Hansen’s corrections were (on average) too much early on (before 2000) and too little (post 2000): the result makes temperatures before 2000 seem low and those past 2000 too high, both of which makes GW seem MUCH larger than it actually is. You MUST accept ONLY graphs that use the “re-corrected” values assigned after 2006 - when his charade was discovered by a team of statisticians (not “peer-reviewed scientists!) from Canada.

2) Graphs of satellite data for the troposphere (the most accurate air temperature data) are truncated before 1985: this implies that temperatures in the mid30’s were NOT hotter than now, and that the very low points (cycling temps from 1950 to a low in 1972 back towards a high in 1998 were ONLY RISING from 1980 to 1998. This is a very, very different impression than what really happened.

3) Surface temperatures are greatly affected by the removal/failure/loss of many hundred Soviet temperature stations in Siberia and North Russia in early 1990-1992. Thus, if you average many thousands surface readings from 1950 through 2006, but you are NOT recording many hundred low-temperature readings from 1992 through 2006, the overall average reading will appear higher after 1992. This doesn’t mean the rest of them are wrong, but it DOES mean that the average temperature will be higher after 1992 - regardless of what the real air temps are doing.

4) But the measured temperatures ARE wrong in many places: These are the thermometers placed near parking lots, behind buildings, out in the sun without specified covers and sun shields. Others are near air-conditioner vents, fans, motors, and industrial areas. ALL of these violate siting requirements, but NASA (and other AGW agencies of the federal government) violently/viciously refuse to give out locations of their stations to verify how many are legally sited in legal covers.

39 posted on 11/26/2007 7:13:46 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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